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Stems separation is a very interesting new feature! I'd like to know the "after"...according to the introductory video, I could use for instance the voice to create a new arrangement with BIAB...and at this point I cannot understand how????  I hope there will be soon a video explaining how I can make a new arrangement starting from a single audio track...
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Stems separation is a very interesting new feature! I'd like to know the "after"...according to the introductory video, I could use for instance the voice to create a new arrangement with BIAB...and at this point I cannot understand how???? I hope there will be soon a video explaining how I can make a new arrangement starting from a single audio track... Hi Alf. Yes you could definitely use the voice to create a BIAB arrangement. One thing to keep in mind... When I was testing stem separation, it didn't seem to strip the vocal track of whatever effects or processing was used to create it. This means that the BIAB arrangement needs to be adjust to fit around the voice rather than fitting the voice into a BIAB backing. I didn't have any issue with doing this at all, and the voice worked well. To create a BIAB backing, as I see it, the following steps are needed... 1) Run the complete audio file through BIAB's Audio Chord Wizard. This will obtain the chords used in the arrangement as well as create a tempo map that matches the audio's tempo and tempo variations (if they exist). 2) Once the chord chart and tempo map are created, save the SGU file. 3) Load in the vocal track (I would use the Audio track although the Utilities tracks are equally good). 4) Build a BIAB backing around the vocals. I hope this helps. --Noel P.S. If you are not sure how to use the Audio Chord Wizard, I put together a tutorial earlier this year. It's at the link below and takes about one hour to work through. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=821394#Post821394
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Unfortunately, my first experiments with this new feature are not going very well. After opening a song via File > Open Special> Open Using Stem Splitter, and running the ACW on the master track (or in any ot the stem tracks) all the tracks get completely out of sync.
After trying Noel's method I get the same problem: when loading the vocal track (Step #3) into an utility track, that track is completely out of sync.
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Cerio,
Did you create a tempo map using ACW? My understanding is that the tempo map should match the performance of the vocalist since the tempo map follows any changes in the band's tempo. The singer and the band are also sync'd together by the performance. The one area where my thinking falls apart is if the individual audio tracks from the splitting process are saved with ACID information. In this case, the vocalist track will be adjusted to the variations of the tempo map. This would cause the vocalist's track to misalign.
I'll do some investigating and get back to you!
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Did you create a tempo map using ACW? Yes, I followed steps #1 and #2 without problems. My understanding is that the tempo map should match the performance of the vocalist since the tempo map follows any changes in the band's tempo. [...]
I'll do some investigating and get back to you! So did I, but I'm getting different results than I had expected. Thanks for trying!
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I am eager to see a video about the ways to use this feature and have some more information.
Apart from stem separation the new Version, and that may be different for many users, isn't attractive enough to upgrade.
The PlugIn however may be a good reson to spend some money.
As for the Stem Splitter - I do have some (expensive and free) and one is part of Studio One. So I do have separat stems from the Songs I would like to sing along, sitting ready to go within my DAW. (You may notice, I do not wish to keep the Vocal, but to get ride of it.) Most cases, I do have the original recording as my backing track. In a few cases, I wish to manipulate it. Changig something or adding to it. Again, this is something I can do with the tools available.
Using the Stem Separation within Studio One is giving me the chord progression, the Tempo Map and what not.
I cannot see how I would benefit from Loading my song in BiaB instead of Studio one. With the PlugIn I could use Band in a Box Features in my DAW and add Real Tracks if I see a need.
Is there something I am missing? Something I do not see yet?
And, by the way - the end result I want to have is a sort of Karaoke Video with Lyrics showing up in proper time. Again, I can do this today, but maybe Band in a Box has a better way. That would be another incentive to upgrade.
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So did I, but I'm getting different results than I had expected. Thanks for trying! I'll get to the bottom of the mystery. I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye and I was treating the issue too simply. I'll definitely let you know the outcome. --Noel
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As for the Stem Splitter - I do have some (expensive and free) and one is part of Studio One. So I do have separat stems from the Songs I would like to sing along, sitting ready to go within my DAW. (You may notice, I do not wish to keep the Vocal, but to get ride of it.) Most cases, I do have the original recording as my backing track. In a few cases, I wish to manipulate it. Changig something or adding to it. Again, this is something I can do with the tools available.
Using the Stem Separation within Studio One is giving me the chord progression, the Tempo Map and what not.
I cannot see how I would benefit from Loading my song in BiaB instead of Studio one. With the PlugIn I could use Band in a Box Features in my DAW and add Real Tracks if I see a need.
Is there something I am missing? Something I do not see yet? I too have stem splitting with Studio One Pro, Logic Pro and Rip X Daw so this is not something that I need. As far as VST 3 stuff I always use them in my DAW's not in BIAB. JJJ mentioned why the use Lyrics AI when you can just go to Chat GP? The one thing I have not tried yet which I am surprised no one is talking about is the Plugin and being able to follow tempo changes in your DAW with Floating point numbers. The plugin has some great new features!
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Brian, good point. The support for non-integer tempos may cause me to experiment with the plugin, which up to now I have not needed.
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I sure hope they do a new tutorial on the plugin because I have not used it in a while and lots of things have changed!!!
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Like I said above "The PlugIn however may be a good reson to spend some money."
Still sitting on the fence if I update the programm only, or take the plus Pack together with the 49 Pack as I usually do.
Living in Germany adds substancial VAT to the Bill. So far I have seen no Code to compensate for this. Another reason to hesitate.
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About the VAT, is it still charged if you purchase BIAB by download? It’s now possible to buy the upgrade and new RealTracks by download for the audiophile version.
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Yes, I have noticed that. I think the buyer's country is determined by the payment method, the cards are chatty
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Yes the 20% VAT is still added at checkout for UK/EU.
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Yes the 20% VAT is still added at checkout for UK/EU. Correct.
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Thanks. Bad news. So, if you were to buy the downloadable special price package for new audiophile update, at $149, then you pay an additional 20% of that $149 as your total purchase price of nearly $180. Thus there is no benefit to buying by download? In all the discussions we have had on this (of which as a USA resident I have no real understanding), we assumed that PG Music developing a downloadable audiophile version (and the full one is coming someday) would help you.
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I hope all wishes are fulfilled.
I only had one wish. “An improved search concept”. I can’t find anything relating to "search" that has improved.
It is good to have stem separation now in BIAB as well but not really necessary for those doing most work (and stem separation) outside BIAB in the DAW(SO) and SMP. Time mapping is so much easier in those software packages (SMP automatically, SO single operation). I find time mapping in ACW very frustrating and time consuming. It would be very useful to be able to import the "Time Map" from external software (DAW and SMP)
However I bought the PlusPAK+25% VAT on top (I don’t think there will be any more coupons).
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I agree with you on the search. I was hoping like a search that Studio One Pro just did with the built in splice app. Just drag a sample of the music to be analyzed and find the best matches.
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Yes, I have noticed that. I think the buyer's country is determined by the payment method, the cards are chatty Indeed. The cards are very chatty. Here in Australia, whenever I purchase anything overseas, I get 10% Goods and Services Tax (GST) added to the price.
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I hope all wishes are fulfilled.
I only had one wish. “An improved search concept”. I can’t find anything relating to "search" that has improved.
It is good to have stem separation now in BIAB as well but not really necessary for those doing most work (and stem separation) outside BIAB in the DAW(SO) and SMP. Time mapping is so much easier in those software packages (SMP automatically, SO single operation). I find time mapping in ACW very frustrating and time consuming. It would be very useful to be able to import the "Time Map" from external software (DAW and SMP)
However I bought the PlusPAK+25% VAT on top (I don’t think there will be any more coupons). Same here, there's nothing really interesting for me in this update, but I upgraded anyway. I didn't expect (nor wanted) 50 new features, but I certainly expected existing features (like search, or tracks view) to be improved and lots of reported bugs to be fixed. This has been discussed extensively this year here, and I really hope future 2025 updates will cover this.
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I hope all wishes are fulfilled.
I only had one wish. “An improved search concept”. I can’t find anything relating to "search" that has improved. It is there in 2025, with Midi Sup, Midi Tk, Midi Sol - in the MTP. These new tabs look complex but in the first few minutes I could see what this is doing. It is opening up the huge history (library) of midi content for searching, auditioning and selection. Allowing the insertion of midi tracks directly into the chord chart/mixer. I am very optimistic about this new feature. I recall the challenge of inserting midi into a RT style in the past - it was daunting to say the least.  It is good to have stem separation now in BIAB as well but not really necessary for those doing most work (and stem separation) outside BIAB in the DAW(SO) and SMP. Time mapping is so much easier in those software packages (SMP automatically, SO single operation). I find time mapping in ACW very frustrating and time consuming. It would be very useful to be able to import the "Time Map" from external software (DAW and SMP) I could not have said it better. 
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Thanks. Bad news. So, if you were to buy the downloadable special price package for new audiophile update, at $149, then you pay an additional 20% of that $149 as your total purchase price of nearly $180. Thus there is no benefit to buying by download? In all the discussions we have had on this (of which as a USA resident I have no real understanding), we assumed that PG Music developing a downloadable audiophile version (and the full one is coming someday) would help you. Well, we would still save the cost of the SSD and the VAT on that, which is another $30. In principle, in the UK at least, there's a way to avoid it if it's "education support media", but HMRC always seem to fight everything. When they fight, they also charge admin fees and sometimes more, so it's usually "just tolerate it". In principle taxes may for the state services we get, though they're often none to efficient. C'est la vie.
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Same here, there's nothing really interesting for me in this update, but I upgraded anyway. I didn't expect (nor wanted) 50 new features, but I certainly expected existing features (like search, or tracks view) to be improved and lots of reported bugs to be fixed. This has been discussed extensively this year here, and I really hope future 2025 updates will cover this. Similar, though I'll not get the update just yet. I'd like to see that things have really improved. I'll likely buy before 31 Dec, but not actually install for a while. My depression means I try to avoid the stress of bugs because my past professional life means I try to isolate them for the developers. And I don't need that.
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Hi Uncle Paul,
I too am interested in creating backing tracks and I have looked at various utilities to do this. In particular I am interested in losing the lead vocal but retaining the backing vocals. Most of the stem splitter utilities seem to split ALL vocals (lead and BV) into a single consolidated track from which it is terribly difficult to manually separate the lead vocals from the BVs. Have you come across any utilities that can do this automatically?
Apologies for going a little off-topic here but I think that this might be of interest to others who want to use stem-splitters.
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Hi Uncle Paul,
I too am interested in creating backing tracks and I have looked at various utilities to do this. In particular I am interested in losing the lead vocal but retaining the backing vocals. Most of the stem splitter utilities seem to split ALL vocals (lead and BV) into a single consolidated track from which it is terribly difficult to manually separate the lead vocals from the BVs. Have you come across any utilities that can do this automatically?
Apologies for going a little off-topic here but I think that this might be of interest to others who want to use stem-splitters.
Regards, Aubrey All of mine cannot do that but this place advertises it can. It is a paid subscription it appears. LALAL.AI Lead & Back Vocal Splitter
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A similar link is: https://studio.moises.ai/login/I haven't studied how they do it, but they offer to separate the main vocal from the backing vocal. And they also offer an app. I just read it, but I have Ripx DAW Pro and if I really needed to separate the backing vocal from the main one, I can do it manually in Ripx and not have to check if someone's machine did it correctly.
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Hi Aubry,
I have a way that, depending on the original record, works to some extend. But it is a lot of work. I Separate the stems, load the vocal into Melodyne (Melodyne from Celemony is not cheap and I am not sure at what level the product can do the following. I doubt entry level can.) The following is done within Studio One, using the ARA feature. I am not sure if using an Audio Workstation and a stand alone Melodyne will work, due to the fact that original recording, the stem separated and the resultig "cleaned Vocal" must be precisely in synch. Ortherwise the inverting and mixing will not do at all.
Okay, in Melodyne I am able to examine "Blob" by "Blob" What is lead vocal or a residue from other Instruments or part of the Back vocals (Choir).
When I detect such Blob, I sort of delete it. Very time consuming. The resulting Stems (that should as best case consist of the lead vocal itself) is then inverted and "mixed" with the original recording. In the end, only the lead vocal is gone.
Now you could, if you so wish, seperate the stems of the resulting backing track and maybe get a separate vocal track with choir. As I said, this depends on the type of original recording.
Getting totaly rid of the reverb of the lead vocal is almost impossible, but that part that resides is no problem for me. It is covered by my own voice.
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Hello again Aubry,
another way that might work is to use Ultimate Vocal Remover. the tool is free and offers a variety of AI models (that is the training information to teach the AI engine). And that it's doesn't mean its cheap. It is regarded as par with the likes of iZotope. The multiple offers available as an app or online do not differ much with regards to the engine, but with the training models used. UVR offers a whole lot of such models and you can even combine some. Picking the right one is trial and error for each new song. But you may succeed. I found it useful, but somehow there is a sync problem when loading the stems into my Daw (maybe related to different sample rates and bit sizes the respective Software uses internaly). So I prefer to stay with my "One Tool Only" approach and do everything within my DAW. Stem separation is a native part and Melodyne thightly integrated.
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I have Ripx DAW Pro and if I really needed to separate the backing vocal from the main one, I can do it manually in Ripx and not have to check if someone's machine did it correctly. How would that be done manualy in RipX DAW Pro? I would like to test with the trial they offer.
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In recent years, the promotional code to offset the 20% VAT has always been released very promptly and I quickly decided to upgrade. This year, it is being held back or not coming at all. And this is an update where not much has changed in terms of the substance of the program (who needs a stem splitter, they are now available in abundance). Above all, the old-fashioned interface has not been changed, only more complicated form registers have been added. The tons of new Realtracks are nice, but like many others, I had hoped that the classics (jazz, folk, etc.) would not be the main focus again. I have come to the conclusion that I will not update if the promo code for EU countries is not available. It's a shame, this product policy will probably reduce the fan base somewhat.
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I have to correct my statement - the promo code for 20% has just arrived by email. So there will probably be an update soon. I hope that a detailed explanatory video about the new functions will be released soon - the written instructions are not enough.
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My guess is that it will not come, and that it was only the first year to keep people calm (but who knows).
(anyway it is to late for me I just payed VAT+25%).
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I haven't needed to move voices yet, I've moved always notes from other instruments. I create so far my own backing vocals. If I need to separate the main vocal from the backing vocals, I create a new track and call it main vocal. There are usually fewer notes in the main vocal than in the others. If back vocals are only in the choruses, then I mark all the notes in the verses and move them to the newly created track. In the choruses, I find the notes of the main vocal more easily, which I mark (it's not necessary to move the entire chorus at once, but maybe only three notes at a time). I move them using the icon next to the track where I want to move the notes, which is the third icon in the sequence (mute, solo, move notes, record).
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Hi Aubry,
I have a way that, depending on the original record, works to some extend. But it is a lot of work. I Separate the stems, load the vocal into Melodyne (Melodyne from Celemony is not cheap and I am not sure at what level the product can do the following. I doubt entry level can.) The following is done within Studio One, using the ARA feature. I am not sure if using an Audio Workstation and a stand alone Melodyne will work, due to the fact that original recording, the stem separated and the resultig "cleaned Vocal" must be precisely in synch. Ortherwise the inverting and mixing will not do at all.
Okay, in Melodyne I am able to examine "Blob" by "Blob" What is lead vocal or a residue from other Instruments or part of the Back vocals (Choir).
When I detect such Blob, I sort of delete it. Very time consuming. The resulting Stems (that should as best case consist of the lead vocal itself) is then inverted and "mixed" with the original recording. In the end, only the lead vocal is gone.
Now you could, if you so wish, seperate the stems of the resulting backing track and maybe get a separate vocal track with choir. As I said, this depends on the type of original recording.
Getting totaly rid of the reverb of the lead vocal is almost impossible, but that part that resides is no problem for me. It is covered by my own voice. Correct about Melodyne. Melodyne essential only works with monophonic notes. If you own Melodyne Studio it is a multitrack editor which then you could use the stand alone version to edit stems. There are programs that can remove reverb. The one I own is from iZotope and is called RX 10 De-Reverb. I have never used this so I cannot say how well this actually works but I am now tempted to give it a shot just to see myself. My own personal use of Stem separation is just to hear different parts of the song I am trying to figure out. As far as Rip X Daw Pro I only have the Rip X Daw program which cannot do what Melodyne can do. Now the Pro version does have an edit feature called split notes which I suppose might be able to do what you were doing in Melodyne.
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I have RX10 (bought it because the stem separation), did not do much with the other tools inside. Thank you for the hint. I will check out what it can do to remove reverb.
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I have both Ripx DAW Pro and Melodyne Studio. But I'm not one of those precise users who have the manual in their head and can use anything. I have Ripx DAW Pro, but I only use it as a Ripx DAW, because it's enough for me when creating my own songs. I inherited Ripx DAW Pro by buying the highest version in 2020. For "Brian Hughes" - I couldn't find the "split note" function in the manual, but that might be my fault because I have a hard time navigating the English text and I'm translating it into Czech using Google translator. I'm looking for it in the manual, which I find in the Help menu in open Ripx and the link is right at the top. You don't have to deal with it, I don't need it for work, I'm just curious. Yes, Melodyne is better than Ripx in some functions, but sometimes it's also inaccurate, so I'm glad I have both applications. For "Uncle Paul": What about trying not to delete the main vocal, but just to lower it below the level of audibility. (I have no experience with this) - It's just a thought. iZotope uses one of the cleaning methods that they don't erase the areas for cleaning, but they reduce the volume below the level of audibility. Of course, they reduce it even more with a smaller margin, because some of us have better hearing. If I then add a new lead vocal to the recording, no one will hear the original one...
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............................ For "Brian Hughes" - I couldn't find the "split note" function in the manual, but that might be my fault because I have a hard time navigating the English text and I'm translating it into Czech using Google translator............................. In Melodyne Studio the split note function works with the timing scale. For example if the scale is set to quarter notes you can split only at quarter notes. I usually set mine to 32 second notes so I can split at every 32 second note. V Melodyne Studio pracuje funkce rozdělené noty se stupnicí časování. Například pokud je stupnice nastavena na čtvrťové noty, můžete dělit pouze na čtvrťové noty. Obvykle jsem si nastavil noty na 32 sekund, takže se mohu rozdělit na každou 32 sekundovou notu.
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Thanks Mario for your lesson. I mistakenly misunderstood "split note" and thought it meant "separating notes from each other". Yes, the correct translation of "split" is different from "separate". I use Melodyne more to correct the intonation of my singing (I am only and only an amateur singer). I use the "split note" function quite consciously in Synthesizer V Pro and here the translation of "split" fully matches your interpretation. We, who do not master English "like cracking a whip" - a Czech proverb "to fully control something", have problems thinking in a foreign language (English) and thus we easily go astray. At my age, I do not stress about mistakes, but I take the situation as fun.
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In Melodyne Studio the split note function works with the timing scale. For example if the scale is set to quarter notes you can split only at quarter notes. I usually set mine to 32 second notes so I can split at every 32 second note.
V Melodyne Studio pracuje funkce rozdělené noty se stupnicí časování. Například pokud je stupnice nastavena na čtvrťové noty, můžete dělit pouze na čtvrťové noty. Obvykle jsem si nastavil noty na 32 sekund, takže se mohu rozdělit na každou 32 sekundovou notu. Yes I use that feature in Melodyne quite a bit myself. In Rip X Pro this is what the Clean/Repair says it can do? The Clean / Repair menu also allows live audio repair and clean-up features for removing background noise, limiting foreground artifacts, reducing tones & hum, and purifying pitched and unpitched sounds from stems.
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>> The one area where my thinking falls apart is if the individual audio tracks from the splitting process are saved with ACID information. In this case, the vocalist track will be adjusted to the variations of the tempo map. This would cause the vocalist's track to misalign.>> So did I, but I'm getting different results than I had expected. Thanks for trying! I'll get to the bottom of the mystery. I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye and I was treating the issue too simply. I'll definitely let you know the outcome. --Noel The second scenario the vocal track and band will lose sync is the ACW (a single track function) has to have the first bar set before creating the Chord analysis and tempo map. The Master Track is imported to the Audio Track (which is the correct track for the ACW to analyze.) Setting Bar one repositions the audio on the Audio Track if bar one isn't the beginning of the song. The analysis will sync the Audio Track with the Chord Sheet but the other imported isolated stems are not affected by this process and are now out of sync with the Audio Track and BIAB Chord Sheet. Most times the vocal track doesn't begin on Bar one and it can be a bit tricky to get it properly aligned. Splitting Stems using RealBand and it's ACW doesn't have this issue in the songs I've tested so far. BIAB can automatically sync any imported stem track, such as the vocal track, with the Chord Sheet and tempo during the Master Track analysis if it's set up to do so.
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Charlie.
as you said there are rb plusses re seperation/acw etc etc.
what i want to do is 'tart up' old tape based masters done in big studios...
but of course they have some minute tempo fluctuations.
(wow/flutter).
so what i'm hoping to do is in rb..
..use the acw to get the tempo map then
..stem split then....
..as rb has click/noise removal use this to lower noise floors of low level
noise etc....then...
..add new tracks useing pg rt's//rd's//midi supertracks etc etc.
any advice re tricks ?? will all the stems line up with the new pg content/tempo map ?? i would be ecstatic. for example some old masters were 'jams' in studios that people have told me they like but need addition of further instrumentation ideas or some were done with junk gear for laughs. many ive tried to re-record but people have told me they prefer the demoes.
need your advice mate.... cheers.
merry xmas.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/07/24 08:51 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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OM, you shouldn't run into any issues in RB cleaning up the tracks or having any sync issues. Very straightforward in RB.
I went to your site and d/l'd "Raise the Flag" and ran it through the Splitter in BIAB. I only used the vocal track but I had no issues syncing with BIAB and replaced several heavy metal styles and soloists with your vocal track and it set in the mix quite satisfactory. There was a few artifacts in the Stem separation but that was taken care of with the Audio Editor.
You should be able to have a lot of fun and no issues using RB.
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>>> The second scenario the vocal track and band will lose sync is the ACW (a single track function) has to have the first bar set before creating the Chord analysis and tempo map.
‘There’s an easy way to solve that. Assuming the master is on the audio track, and you’ve used that master to make your tempo map with ACW.
As youve pointed out, the starting point for bar 1 shifted for the audio track. And the other tracks didn’t get shifted,
The solution is to do either of these two things.
1. Delete the stem split tracks (bass.drums,guitars,vocals) and redo the stem split using the audio track (which is named mysong.wav on disk) as the audio source (assuming your bb song is called mysong.sgu). Then the stem tracks are perfectly aligned.
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2, if you’re planning to use the Audio chord wizard and sync things up, do that first by file-open or dragging the master to the audio track then use acw, and then stem split using the audio track as the source. (That gives the same result as point 1 above)
In a future patch we will add an option that auto-shifts all of the audio tracks, but until then either if these options should work to fix up any situation where the stem tracks are not aligned with the master track.
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Charlie and Peter...
great comments.
This is huge...i'm stoked.
cos i know of no other music app that will do this because it means now anyone can take an old stereo master (mastered on tape or to digital) and add new tracks to it. irrespective of whether the original master was pristine or a 'rough demo'.
(i have lots of both haveing recorded on everything from big studios gear down to useing total junk gear/mics etc just to get a song idea down.)
ie upgrade with new rt's//supertracks//rd's//midi driving plugins etc.
now the BIG question...
i assume that as rb handles 'fractional tempos' and due to both your comments that rb is the better vehicle...right ?
due to situations of original tape masters that have 'wow and flutter' so rb is a better solution because it handles fractional tempos. correct ??
tape wow/flutter is the 'elephant in the room' and my major concern re correcting for it.
Peter...just an idea...
and i'm thinking of new pg users...maybe a vid detailing the various steps taking an old (originally) tape master with wow/flutter and stem splitting and adding new pg content to it.....useing rb. ie in essence we are talking like when one buys an old house ie renovating it and bringing it up to date for when the relatives come to visit...lol.
merry xmas.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/07/24 01:04 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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RB may work better in some situations but because I use features in BIAB that don't carry over to RB or the Plug-in - I use the Splitter in BIAB.
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I'm a bit late for the party on stem splitting. From the video tutorials on the this new function, I'm pretty excited. I really like the idea of using the Metronome style to line up the measures in ACW.
Anyway, I'm wondering about a couple of things: 1)when using Equalize Tempos, do the stems stretch to the new tempo? That could be very cool for recording in the studio, where we like to keep the click off to allow for a bit more freedom for the players, but then bring the tempo back to something very consistent for overdubbing.
2)if I use stems synched with BIAB tracks, what happens with the stems if insert bars, such as adding a prechorus, or add a section for a solo? Is it naive for me to assume that the stems will be chopped up for moving with the rest of the tracks? In other words, if the track is 2 minutes long with stems, if I insert a 30 second solo, will the vocal be moved forward to make the vocal track 2 minutes 30?
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1)when using Equalize Tempos, do the stems stretch to the new tempo? Yes, but you have to enable this option on each one of the steams tracks (it's disabled by default) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29416&filename=1.png) 2)if I use stems synched with BIAB tracks, what happens with the stems if insert bars, such as adding a prechorus, or add a section for a solo? [...] In other words, if the track is 2 minutes long with stems, if I insert a 30 second solo, will the vocal be moved forward to make the vocal track 2 minutes 30? Yes.
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I'm clearly behind on AI stem splitting. This is my first stem splitting software. Are there other better apps for separating stems? One that may be able to separate the piano from the guitar?
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I'm clearly behind on AI stem splitting. This is my first stem splitting software. Are there other better apps for separating stems? One that may be able to separate the piano from the guitar? Not to my knowledge, I believe because the frequencies and intonations are similar. However, others may know more and have worked with other products that handle this more accurately.
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I'm clearly behind on AI stem splitting. This is my first stem splitting software. Are there other better apps for separating stems? One that may be able to separate the piano from the guitar? There are several algorithms that claim to be able to separate guitar and piano tracks, but the reality is that none of them (at least, the ones I've tried) work well in most cases. Spleeter, the original stem separation algorithm in which many of them are based, was originally designed to separate drums, bass, vocals, and the rest of the tracks, and most algorithms developed subsequently still work better with the same 4 tracks. .
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È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
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