Tommy, yes i have i have used both the piano roll, and fader recording as automation. Yes they work, but have you ever used Autoamtion in either Sonar, Reaper, MTS, Cubade, ..... any other program it is so simple and easy.

Whenm you use the piano roll, you have to draw the automation in in the lower pane, and it is very difficult to get exactly what you want. Where as in say Sonar for instance, all one does is click and add notes, and drag them up down sideways, right click and remove, and add more it is smooth and easy. In MTS you click and knob, effect, or device, and a window pops up, you add nodes and automate that process. This is very easy and solid to use.

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