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I watched a video today and there was a chord progression in it.
It should be in E major
Why the second is G# and the last is Am again

I - V/vi-IV- iv
E - G# - A - Am

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I don't know if BAND IN A BOX provides this kind of chord change try function?

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I - V/vi-IV- iv
E - G# - A - Am

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I don't know if BAND IN A BOX provides this kind of chord change try function?

Wow, did you actually try it yourself? Or have I missed the point completely?
Do you understand basic music theory, or is this a question to help you learn?

Here is my effort:

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Originally Posted By: AudioTrack
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I - V/vi-IV- iv
E - G# - A - Am

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I don't know if BAND IN A BOX provides this kind of chord change try function?

Wow, did you actually try it yourself? Or have I missed the point completely?
Do you understand basic music theory, or is this a question to help you learn?

Here is my effort:


Thanks, took a closer look at SCALER. I have figured it out. grin


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The key of E Major has F#, C#, G#, and D#. The G# is the fifth note of the scale, which is written in Roman Numerals as V, and is also known as the Dominant chord. This can be entered into Band-in-a-Box by changing your key signature to E Major, then typing in "G#" or the number 5.

Edit: I realized my counting mistake. G# is the 3rd not the 5th. And the note G# is the fifth of C# Major.

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The G# is the fifth note of the scale,

In the key of E major, I always thought the G# was the third note of the scale?


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Originally Posted By: Chantelle - PG Music
The key of E Major has F#, C#, G#, and D#. The G# is the fifth note of the scale, which is written in Roman Numerals as V, and is also known as the Dominant chord. This can be entered into Band-in-a-Box by changing your key signature to E Major, then typing in "G#" or the number 5.


OK I am totally confused now. The dominate chord in the key of E is B is it not? While in the key of E typing a 5 yields a B chord, just like it should. The E scale is E-F#-G#-A-B-C#-D#-E. G# is the third note of the scale and should be written III for a G major chord.

Edit - I see VT is on the same page as me.

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Nope, it should be EG#AD# grin grin grin grin grin grin


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Actually and confusingly, the G# is the 3rd of the scale, which makes that V/vi a little puzzling, but then I haven't seen the video(*).

V/vi would suggest B/C#, i.e.. C#, B, D#, F# which bears little resemblance to the chord shown (G#, C, D#) and which may explain SBM's question. The omitted '7' would have been the F#.

(*) OK, I found the video and the relevant words are "The five of the six", so that V is not the fifth of E, it the fifth of C#, i.e., the fifth of the relative minor of E.

All of which not withstanding, as AudioTrack points out, BiaB just allows it without complaint.

Video here: V7/vi and Resolving Tricks


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Did you watch the video??

You all fail to recognize the quartile substitution of the related harmoninic minor scale justaposed upon the second inversion of the relative suspended 5th of the chord in order to resolve to the V7/vi.

I would explain it all out, but whos got time for that? grin


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Did you watch the video??

You all fail to recognize the quartile substitution of the related harmoninic minor scale justaposed upon the second inversion of the relative suspended 5th of the chord in order to resolve to the V7/vi.

I would explain it all out, but whos got time for that? grin

In the end, does the relative minor get a suspended sentence?

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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Did you watch the video??

You all fail to recognize the quartile substitution of the related harmoninic minor scale justaposed upon the second inversion of the relative suspended 5th of the chord in order to resolve to the V7/vi.

I would explain it all out, but whos got time for that? grin


Dan, I am not questioning that. I am challenging Chantelle's statement:
"The key of E Major has F#, C#, G#, and D#. The G# is the fifth note of the scale, which is written in Roman Numerals as V, and is also known as the Dominant chord. This can be entered into Band-in-a-Box by changing your key signature to E Major, then typing in "G#" or the number 5."

G# is the fifth of the C# key/scale and not the E key/scale.
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Did you watch the video??

You all fail to recognize the quartile substitution of the related harmoninic minor scale justaposed upon the second inversion of the relative suspended 5th of the chord in order to resolve to the V7/vi.

I would explain it all out, but whos got time for that? grin

In the end, does the relative minor get a suspended sentence?


Not if its a major crime grin grin grin grin


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Sorry, yes G# is the third. I was both counting in the wrong direction and missed a number - I shouldn't be doing math in the morning!

In E Major, the vi chord is C#. And the fifth of C# Major is G#. So in roman numerals when you want a G# chord it is written as V/vi in the key of E Major.

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That was fun.
Signals music almost always clearly explains what's happening visually, in speech and in audible music.
Maybe the subs weren't up to it.

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Originally Posted By: Chantelle - PG Music
Sorry, yes G# is the third. I was both counting in the wrong direction and missed a number - I shouldn't be doing math in the morning!

In E Major, the vi chord is C#. And the fifth of C# Major is G#. So in roman numerals when you want a G# chord it is written as V/vi in the key of E Major.


If it helps, so did I at first and I'm pretty sure we weren't alone.

That V spoke far to loudly to me.


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You all fail to recognize the quartile substitution of the related harmoninic minor scale justaposed upon the second inversion of the relative suspended 5th of the chord in order to resolve to the V7/vi.

Thanks for the clarification Dan. Now I'm fully in the picture. Should've come to you in the first place! wink


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