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I can only imagine that it's to hide subtle timing effects from the notation, i.e., when someone is playing ahead of or behind the beat. One doesn't want hundreds of 1/64 notes or rests all over the notation. If one looks at the underlying data for styles, it can look awful. Quite why one would drop rests of 3/8ths duration, though, is quite another matter. To me that's just wrong. I guess normally we just don't notice it happening. It's been interesting, but had been driving me mad, because I was forever saying "I've already fixed this, why is it wrong again?". And on multiple songs! I'm also not used to handling that little four-bar notation window that seems sometims to jump around the piece is. It obviously has rules, but I find them puzzling. I notice that if I select a rightmost bar on the chords view and the switch to notation view, I think it will centre the selected bar in the notation window, but I was expecting it to be the final in the notation view. Some of the dropped rests in that song then do appear in the final bar on the notation view, which is probably how I managed to correct only some of them. All of that is further compounded by me creating the tracks on one PC and then syncing first to my fileserver and then syncing the PC at my keyboard from the fileserver. If I fix something on the latter, I reverse the process. I then get into "have I messed up the syncs somehow?" I finally realised I wasn't going mad when I sat down and went very carefully through that song bar-by-bar, right back from the import, until I understood what was going wrong and could report it concisely. And it turns out to be a feature... 
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I tried to read more about this, and found a mention in the Help for Notation Window:
Automatic options such as auto durations, clean notation, mono display, minimize rests, hard rests, and engraver spacing produce very musical and readable notation.
Help, Search cannot search for XML, but Help, Index, XML does give options for Importing a Music XML file. However, I don't see Minimize Rests as one of the options.
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BTW, minimize rests is just a visual display thing. It doesn’t extend the audible duration of the notes.
The HLP that would mention it should be in the Notation Options dialog.
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Thanks! I’ll look at what’s there.
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I can only imagine that it's to hide subtle timing effects from the notation, i.e., when someone is playing ahead of or behind the beat. I've been going through some songs with likely rest-related issues and I see an example of that kind of behaviour, where I have 'ghost' rests within triplets (in Girl From Ipanema). I suspect what may really be wanted here is an option to minimise rests below a particular threshold, rather than just on or off. Just my feeling ... I haven't thought at all through other possible consequences or confusions that might arise by doing that. [Edit: ... like even more confusion over when and where my rests have gone]. Edit 2: I've also found "forced rests" or "hard rests" on p205 of the manual. That's obviously how I've managed to correct the ones I've corrected. Edit 3: Which then leads to the question of why import from MusicXML, with clear rests in the source, does not automatically insert hard rests? -- This probably wants a resolution.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 04/10/23 11:58 PM.
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#3. I think it should. If the Music XML code says it’s a Rest, then it should be the same as a hard rest you would enter manually.
In other words, your thread may be resolved in the sense we know a little more about what’s happening, but I don’t think the behavior is resolved.
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Hi Matt,
I agree and as a consequence I've removed the "resolved".
I thought I edit my original post to explain, but I have no option at present to do so. That seems odd.
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