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Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. #774834 08/25/23 04:59 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker OP Veteran
OP Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC	In the showcase.... Babumusic posted Mud Slinging Brawl.....about a good old brawl. So as not to derail that thread..... I decided to start a bar fights thread here.... Playing in bar bands, and in dives, honky-tonk hole in the wall joints, biker bars, and cowboy bars...... you're gonna encounter a bar fight at some point. Not "if" but "when". Post up your classic bar fights that you remember. You don't have to have been a participant.... you can be, however, an observer. I'll start: I had recently been hired to play guitar in a working band. The drummer and bass player were married and the other guitarist/singer had a girlfriend. I was unattached at that time. So we played a beach bar about an hour away in another town. The other band members were all hanging out with their girlfriends. Wives were at home.... SO on the first break, they all headed to the table with the "other ladies" and not wanting to be a third wheel, I headed outside for some quiet and clean ocean air. Setting on the railings to the front steps.... I was surprised to see the 2 wives and GF walkiing toward the front door. One of them (Paula) saw me and asked if the boys were inside. I answered yes.... then she says, "Do they have their girlfriends with them in there?" I hesitated, and she says ...It's OK we know what they're doing. And she and the others went inside. I stayed outside. I didn't want to be involved. After a few more minutes it was getting to be time to start the next set I went inside. Here's what had transpired in the several minutes. The ladies had entered, found their husbands and stayed back in the dark watching all the face sucking going on. When one of the gf's headed to the bathroom, Paula follower her inside. Paula says to the gf.... who had no clue she was taking to the wife.... That drummer is one hot dude and I think I'm going to take him home tonight and have a party all night long.... to which the gf replies.... Oh, he's taken and he's going home with me..... to which Paula responds with He's my husband B***h and punches the gf squarely in the face. GF and Paula tangle and the fight spills out into the club whereupon the bouncers immediately grab them and pull them apart. It was at this point that I came back through the door to see the band, the wives, and the girlfriends and the bouncers and the club owner in a circle "discussing" the situation. Standing outside of the circle.... I heard the owner say to the band..... I'm not having this in my club.... I'm throwing somebody out. He points at the band and says, you decide... do I throw out the wives or the girlfriends? The band chose to have their wives tossed. Well... needless to say, that was only the beginning of a long period of marital discord. But we finished the job and the guys headed to the local motel after the gig. It was a unique and interesting experience playing with that band. I never knew what the status of the relationships were at any given time. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774835 08/25/23 05:23 AM Off-Topic
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Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,080 GA USA	"It was a unique and interesting experience playing with that band." Quite the understatement! I played in a couple of bluegrass bands in the 70's that you would need a family tree like sketch nowadays to trace all the relationships. I laid low ... no pun intended. Never saw a fight - just a shove or two ... lotta arguments though. And at a small rural club we did play behind chicken wire but mercifully no beer bottles bounced off it. Bud J&B Videos J&B Soundcloud J&B Website

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774844 08/25/23 06:37 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh eddie1261 Veteran
eddie1261 Veteran Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh	I was playing at a popular place called The Sahara Lounge. Just inside the door was one of those claw machines. One guy used to come in and tie that machine up all night, and whatever he got from the machine he would just hand to the nearest girl. So the girls used to hang out around that machine and when he ran out of quarters he would send one of the girls to get him more rolls. (He would easily drop $300 into that coin slot every night he was there.) One night there was a guy who wanted to play the machine and the first guy kept it tied up like always. I leaned over to the sax player when we started at 9 and said "By 11 the guy playing the claw and the guy near him in the striped shirt are going to get into it." At 10:50 the guy in the striped shirt was all up into the face of "Claw Man", and 5 minutes later they were swinging at each other. The bar tossed them both out and put up a sign that no more than 20 consecutive plays were allowed. Another time we were playing on a college campus in their "rec room" that served beer. That was with the Motown band that had 2 black members. About midnight some drunk college kid started to heckle the front man. Unfortunately, he chose to include a specific 6 letter word that starts with N into his heckle, and our singer pick up his mic stand and shoved it square into the guy's forehead. That round mic stand base opened a smiley face gash about 4 inches wide starting at the top of the nose and making an arc above the eyebrows. To quote Was...Not Was, "Needless to say, the party broke up." People are probably debating who was at fault now, 30 years later. The guy should not have said that, and our guy should not have reacted quite that way. I mean we had 2 guys who were there to informally be our security and they would have "suggested" to the guy that he leave before he had an "unfortunate accident". Also saw several playing biker bars in Canada. Bud, one place here had a second floor that was like a glorified loft, 4 sides with an open view down onto the stage and dance floor. That who level was lined with video games. Over the opening was a cargo net like the net on the side of a ship that people climb up. One night in our second set there was apparently a fight up there because right above my a body went flying into the middle of that net. There was little chance to deny you were in the fight when you landed in that net. That place also had turtle races. 8 numbered turtles were put in a box that was then lifted off, and the first turtle completely out of the circle was the winner. It was $10 to bet on a turtle, and the house took half, so the prize was $40. In one race my turtle was ahead by a neck (See what I did there?) and I was already counting my money when the turtle stopped to take a crap and another one got out of the circle while mine was relieving himself. Loved that place!! I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines. 1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774854 08/25/23 09:02 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker OP Veteran
OP Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC	We played in a lot of biker bars and cowboy bars and I really don't know which one was the wilder of the bunch. Both were certifiable. One place we played.... I can't say there was a fight in the club that weekend.... but the owner mentioned that we should generally steer clear of the biker chicks as he pointed to a bullet hole in the wall behind the band and recounted what had occurred earlier in the month. Seems one of the band members of a band that had played there the previous few weeks past had taken a liking to one of the biker chicks who's "old man" wasn't there the first night. The second night of the show, the "old man" showed up... drove his bike into the club and onto the dance floor, pulled out a pistol and took a shot, which fortunately missed, at the singer who had messed with his "old lady". His buddies grabbed him and got him out of the club before he had a chance to do any more damage. The second night we played there a funny thing happened. We were in the second or third set when a county sheriff's deputy walked up to the front of the stage in the middle of a song and motioned for us to stop playing. So we stopped. He says who is the leader of this outfit? I said, that would be me sir. He says, You are under arrest. Of course I asked for what. He says step outside. So we did.... all of the band and the road crew to see what the problem was. He walks us over to the band truck and shines his flashlight into the truck. On the motor console was a half finished bottle of Jack Daniels whiskey. He says Broken seal violation, you're under arrest. I said, that;s not my bottle and I didn't drive here in that truck, I drove my private vehicle. He says...OK, who owns the truck, to which the bass player says it's my truck deputy. The deputy says well, you're under arrest then. To which Glenn says, sir, I rode up here with him, pointing to me. At this point the deputy was getting really irritated.... and he says dammit....one of you is going to jail right now... who's responsible for this bottle in the vehicle? At this point we're all worried because it was the drummers bottle and it would have been the end of the show only halfway through the night in a biker bar.... not an ideal situation. But.... our sound tech steps forward holding out his wrists to be cuffed and says sir, that is my bottle, arrest me. The deputy was happy he got the make an arrest, Dave was carried off, we finished the gig and then I drove to the jail where Dave had managed to bond out and drove him home. Sun was up before I got to my home that morning. Cowboy bars almost always had a fist fight every night. It was normal. A couple minutes later they were drinking a beer together again. One place.... we were "playing for the door" and fortunately, there was a good sized crowd to make it worthwhile. But a fight broke out at the front near the entrance. Someone pulled a knife and started slashing and connected. That night, half the money they paid us with was literally soaked in blood. Fortunately, most of the clubs we played had really good security and the bouncers were like the secret service and could read the crowd and spot the trouble makers before it got out of hand. Last edited by Guitarhacker; 08/25/23 09:02 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774904 08/26/23 02:43 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I don't play cowboy bars, because my primary instrument is saxophone, and there isn't a lot of sax and violence in cowboy bars (just the violence). But in my younger days, on the road playing singles bars, I've seen a few. The rule is: The band keeps playing unless there is gunfire. I do remember one, in Bay City, Michigan. I think the bar was called The Tradewinds. Somebody threw a glass at the bartender, it missed and knocked a few bottles off the shelf. In less than a minute, it was like a movie set, with tables being overturned, and pretty much the whole bar fighting. The band kept playing. Fortunately we were on a stage, higher than the bar floor, and didn't get hit by any of the shrapnel. When I was in my 30s, I targeted the senior citizen market here in Florida. It's a big, reliable market. I haven't seen a bar fight since. Other than the COVID pause, I haven't been out of work since, either. Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774911 08/26/23 04:01 AM Off-Topic
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Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 878 Springfield, MO	All of these stories are great. Keep them coming. BIAB2024 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774917 08/26/23 04:59 AM Off-Topic
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OP Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC	The follow up to my first story about the wives and girlfriends..... Glen the bass played showed up at my door at about 4am.... needing a place to stay and sleep. His wive had thrown ALL of his clothes and possessions out on the front lawn and refused to let him in. He stayed with me a few days and got an apartment in a boarding house. Dale, the singer, found his house trashed, his bed ripped to shreds, and the TV smashed and his GF gone home to her mom. Danny's wife Paula was nowhere to be found. She disappeared for several months and no one knew where she was or was willing to tell. Took their child too. Eventually, they all made up, some faster than others. This behavior repeated itself randomly throughout the band's existence with both side of the equation doing the cheating. Dale eventually skipped town with a trailer full of other people's musical equipment and I think took his GF with him to Ohio. Never heard from him again. Danny and his wife reunited and stayed together until she passed away from cancer at a young age. Danny passed away a couple of years ago also from cancer. He and I remained good friends though the years. Glen and his wife stayed together until he was discharged honorably from the Marines. She gave him an ultimatum that when he was out, she was going back to Oklahoma. He rented a U-haul truck, flew her brother into town, loaded all the furniture, and gave her all the money, the car, and told her to not call him. He let the house get repossessed and went on to play music with several other bands, in and out of prison, until he passed away from a heart attack. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774928 08/26/23 07:08 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh eddie1261 Veteran
eddie1261 Veteran Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh	We had an incident playing in Erie PA. The manager of the place at the time (he didn't last long because he had a HUGE drinking problem) was making overtures to one of the female bar staff. One of the male bar staff suggested politely that he need to back off because work was work and it was not the right thing to be doing to her while on the clock. (The manager was ALL over her, hugging her, copping a feel here and there, to the point where she was afraid to go the bar with customer's drink orders.) It went on from about 11 when he got hammered until they closed at 1. As we were packing up things exploded. The guy who was trying to protect both the girl from the manager and the manager from himself got a little less polite, but not belligerent or aggressive. He just kept telling the guy they he was trashed and he needed to call a cab and leave, that the staff knows what to do to close down for the night. Then the manager started getting aggressive, coming from behind the bar in a fighting posture. The bartender continued to try and diffuse. The manager insisted that there was going to be a fight. He took a swing at the bartender, the bartender took a step back, let the punch go past him, and hit the manager with a quick short left jab and then a long, HARD right cross. He went down and out like if you drop a bale of hay. Just "PLOP". He was out for about 15 minutes before he came to and tried to get back at the guy who clocked him. 2 of the other employees stepped in and told him "If he did that to you once, he can do it again. Just go home and sleep it off." He was screaming as he was "encouraged" out of that place about how he was going to fire the guy. By now everybody was laughing at him and his black eye. We went back the next month. The bartender was still there. The manager was gone. The female he accosted pressed charges and the ownership group fired the guy immediately when they found out what happened. He was trespassed from the place and the girl took out a protection order. The guy decided that the restraining order was just a piece of paper and went to her residence to apologize and try to get her to drop the charges. That, of course, led to more charged and he was held in custody until the case came to court. He pled no contest and was hit with a HUGE amount for compensatory damages. Which he deserved. I hope he got help for his drinking problem. I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines. 1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. Guitarhacker #774929 08/26/23 07:17 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh eddie1261 Veteran
eddie1261 Veteran Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 7,302 Akron, Oh	Then there was the time that wasn't a fight, but an incident nonetheless. We played a bar every other Sunday for like 2 years that was owned by a guy everybody hated. He was a real slime ball. One Sunday about 8 months into that 2 year stretch we were in the middle of he 1st set and from all 3 entrances to the place came 2 uniformed officers and a detective in plain clothes. In about 2 minutes he was in cuffs and whisked away. Apparently he was selling more than whiskey. He ended up getting 2 years in prison and then 5 years of probation. Lucky for the place, the liquor license was in the corporate name and the state didn't pull it. They were fined for negligence because the drug sales were going on in their place. No idea who set the place up, but when we went back on the next alternate Sunday the guy who was lead bartender was the manager. We found out later that whenever the manager would take somebody to the downstairs private party room "to show him the place" he was selling them cocaine. I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines. 1. How much did you make in 2023? 2. Send it to us.

Re: Bar fights and mud slinging brawls. eddie1261 #774941 08/26/23 02:15 PM Off-Topic
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker OP Veteran
OP Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,326 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: eddie1261 We found out later that whenever the manager would take somebody to the downstairs private party room "to show him the place" he was selling them cocaine. As a side bar to the post above about Glen.... after he left the band we were all in, He ended up in a fairly big name regional band. They were making decent money playing the larger venues. Previous to his departure, we were just starting to get interest and bookings from those larger venues. Anyway... the band was a traveling pharmaceutical and recreational drug store. They would make more money from the side sales than the gig, and Glen just fell right into that as did Danny who had joined the band several months previous to Glen when he was fired/quit for showing up over an hour after the scheduled start time at a gig.... ( That, and what led up to it is a story in itself ) Danny ended up arrested and in prison in Virginia for getting caught shooting up, and Glen.... well, he decided that selling grams of cocaine just wasn't his style or providing enough income.... so he decided to get into selling coke by the ounce. His very first deal wanted 2 oz but due to his poor fiscal condition, his supplier would only front 1 oz at a time. So with the 1 oz in hand, he goes to the deal, and .... gets busted when they flash badges and tell him he's under arrest. 10 years in Raleigh central prison.... cut to 5 by the fair sentencing act, and with time off for good behavior and time served waiting for his case to be heard.... he was out in 3 years.... I had reconnected with him briefly at this point. I showed up at his apartment at 10am on a Saturday morning and he's snorting cocaine.... some people just never learn. At this point, he couldn't get a good job (not that he wanted to work) and none of the bands around would hire him and a couple years later he had a massive heart attack and passed away. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

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