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Thanks to BOTH you guys. Great info. Wonder why PG Support didn't mention RB.


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When someone asks a question about Band-in-a-Box I generally respond with how to do whatever in Band-in-a-Box. There are a few reasons

First and foremost Band-in-a-Box for Windows includes RealBand but Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh does not. I've had several Mac users get riled when I suggest using RealBand.

Second, RealBand is a DAW that has been modified to use Band-in-a-Box SGU and MGU files. However RealBand does not have all the features included in the main Band-in-a-Box program so the longer you stay in Band-in-a-Box the longer the features are available. It also means less swapping between program if you change your mind or song direction. A small change like changing key signature from "C" to "F" can really slow you down outside the program.

Third, RealBand is a DAW just like Reaper, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Studio One or any other DAW you name. RealBand does DAW like tasks like visualizing the song in a timeline very well while Band-in-a-Box offers superior track generation and arrangement options.

Most people discover and use DAWs before they discover and use Band-in-a-Box so they are more comfortable using a DAW like RealBand.

When you first start using Band-in-a-Box it is easy to get interested in the available styles, RealTracks, RealDrums, SuperMidiTracks and loops and overlook learning the program capabilities.

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Hello Jim,

Actually, getting the X to disappear is no problem. It's making it appear so MY song plays INSTEAD of the ZZJAZZ! So, if I have a very specific piano part that I created in my SO DAW, and I have either the MIDI or audio ver., which method do you suggest using to tell RB what & where the chords are. When I tried it in BIAB using ACW the Auto Marker seemed to skip every other bar, or at least that's how it played back. So, instead of playing at 125BPM, it played at 94. It also insisted on inserting A7sus4 instead of Am7. So, I had to go in and replace all of those, and it never came near to VISUALLY representing where the chords actually were. Basically, the whole exercise was useless. Thanks for your help, though. Seriously.


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Not Jim,
but FWIW, the ACW in RB is not the exact ACW that's in BiaB .. this particular feature was one of the few that has its roots in RB and got ported over to BiaB later ... many times the features go the other way. In RB ACW you can set the Tempo to whatever it should be .. you can also tap the F8 key on the one of every measure while you play it, which causes RB to adjust the tempo clock to match (and it looks ahead and recalculates the upcoming bars accordingly as it goes) .. it is pretty cool for setting tempo maps with little effort (but does require a little).
The Chords detecting engine .. well that is pretty similar in the two programs, though changing the represented chords in RB doesn't cause frustration here, once you learn how it's pretty easy

When you first launch the ACW in RB there is an easily dismissed pop up that asks if you want to use the single track to determine the tempo & chords or if you want to use all the enabled tracks (the song) then another popup that asks if you want to preserve the current tempo map or create a new one .. sometimes paying attention to these options can be very helpful.

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ANYONE:....I've been trying for 2 days to DISable the Style Picker in RB. I've right clicked on everything, but it just doesn't work. Support hasn't helped either. I Rt click on the Blue font that describes the Style, but all that shows up is the Undo/Cut/Copy/Paste menu.


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Why can't I add chords in the Chord View with any higher resolution than a 1/4 note? I need to enter a series of chords for a key change using 4 16th notes with ea. 16th having a chord. Pretty simple, but not for BIAB! I tried adding it in the PRoll view, but for some reason it didn't accept it.


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Originally Posted by King Conga
ANYONE:....I've been trying for 2 days to DISable the Style Picker in RB. I've right clicked on everything, but it just doesn't work. Support hasn't helped either. I Rt click on the Blue font that describes the Style, but all that shows up is the Undo/Cut/Copy/Paste menu.
It's not a right click, it's a left click in the black background to the left of the name.


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Originally Posted by King Conga
Why can't I add chords in the Chord View with any higher resolution than a 1/4 note? I need to enter a series of chords for a key change using 4 16th notes with ea. 16th having a chord. Pretty simple, but not for BIAB! I tried adding it in the PRoll view, but for some reason it didn't accept it.
What you want to use Band-in-a-Box calls Microchords. Microchords can do up to four chords per beat.

To learn about Microchords press F1 to open the Help file, select the Search tab and type Microchords into the text box. The first entry tells you about Microchords and the second entry, Tutorial #34, teaches you how to use it.. +++ HERE +++ is a YouTube video that demonstrates how to enter Microchords.


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You're a GENIUS JIM!! In fact, YOU need to be training Support. They weren't even close. cool


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I'm glad I was able to help.


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Jim,

Hey, I was trying to use the MicroChords, and I think I have the gist of it, but now what's happening is although, I have chords starting right on Beat 1, Bar 1, when the metronome starts the cursor moves thru the 1st 2 Bars without playing anything, and the music doesn't start until it gets to bar 3. I DON'T think it was doing that before. Support tried to tell me it was my drivers. I know it's not. I have scrnshots of the music if that helps.
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Band-in-a Box does not display the first two bars of a song project. The first two bars are "saved" for a two bar count-in that can be part of a RealDrums track, generated by midi drums or turned off. Not all RealDrums tracks have an audible count-in and sometimes the volume level of the count-in is very low.

The 2024 Tracks window displays the first two bars normally reserved for the count-in. In the example below you can clearly see the drums track does not include a count-in so there is silence.

One way to get a count-in is to (1) get a drum arrangement you like, (2) freeze the drum track, (3) move the frozen drum track to an empty track, (4) Go to Song Settings and select the desired drum count-in and (5) generate new drum track. You can use volume automation or F5 settings to switch between the two drum tracks.

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