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I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? #171527 08/30/12 07:24 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton OP Veteran
OP Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I've downloaded the manual for Celemony Melodyne Editor and have been reading it. I'm about to bite the bullet and fork over a few hard earned hundred dollar bills. But I want to know one thing first. The manual says it will work as an ASIO plugin and will work with most DAWs that have ASIO capability. Power Tracks Pro 12 supports ASIO so it should work. Has anybody tried than and if so does it work? This is entirely new territory for me, as I'm steeped very deeply into MIDI and live performance and really don't do that much audio editing. So it's about time I learn. But I want to know if this tool will work with PTPro12 before I spend a few hundred bucks. Thanks, Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? Notes Norton #171528 08/30/12 08:04 AM Off-Topic
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Kemmrich Expert Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,815	In case you don't get the answer you want, remember that melodyne can work in standalone mode. Import the wav file in, fix it and then export it back out. It is another way to go. I have melodyne essential and it comes with a standalone editor. I haven't used it too much, but I need to get on the stick with it. Now at bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh @ bandcamp or soundcloud: Kevin @ soundcloud

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? Kemmrich #171529 08/30/12 08:20 AM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,409 Wauconda	I will try it tonight when I get away from the day job. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? DrDan #171530 08/30/12 11:00 AM Off-Topic
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bupper Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 123	well, its a definite no no for gigging as there is far too much latency. Its only for use AFTER a performance

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? bupper #171531 08/30/12 11:22 AM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Notes, Why do you think you need this? Melodyne is almost exclusively used for pitch correction/manipulation. If you just need audio editing, there are MANY cheaper audio editors, some of which have pedestrian pitch correction. So, was there a reason you are going for one of the most expensive products? My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? DrDan #171532 08/30/12 06:31 PM Off-Topic
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,409 Wauconda	Quote: I will try it tonight when I get away from the day job. Sorry, can't help since I can't seem to find my old version of PTPro 12. It must have not made the cut during the last computer build. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? rockstar_not #171533 08/30/12 07:38 PM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 40 Naperville, IL tomshannon2 Enthusiast
tomshannon2 Enthusiast Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 40 Naperville, IL	Scott, There are lots of pitch correction options out there but the 'audio to midi' capabilities is what knocked my socks off. I do not play keyboards...at all, but I do play guitar. I can take a recorded guitar track and convert it to a midi file and then add any VSTi to it. Perhaps there are other programs that can do that but since I use Presonus Studio One v2 and it comes with Melodyne Essentials and over the summer Melodyne made an offer to Presonus S1 users to upgrade to their top program Melodyne Editor (which can do the audio to MIDI conversion) for $150...I jumped at it! Here an example: Audio to MIDI example Since Notes is a midi power user, perhaps this is what he is excited about Then again...maybe not.

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? tomshannon2 #171534 08/30/12 09:39 PM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Quote: Scott, There are lots of pitch correction options out there but the 'audio to midi' capabilities is what knocked my socks off. I do not play keyboards...at all, but I do play guitar. I can take a recorded guitar track and convert it to a midi file and then add any VSTi to it. Perhaps there are other programs that can do that but since I use Presonus Studio One v2 and it comes with Melodyne Essentials and over the summer Melodyne made an offer to Presonus S1 users to upgrade to their top program Melodyne Editor (which can do the audio to MIDI conversion) for $150...I jumped at it! Here an example: Audio to MIDI example Since Notes is a midi power user, perhaps this is what he is excited about Then again...maybe not. You must have paid for an upgrade to get access to your VSTi. That's the single reason I refuse to ever even consider Studio One - one has to pay for the privilege to use VST/VSTi that one has already purchased in the past. I think that's highway robbery, to be honest! I know of no other DAW on the market that forces you to 'pay up' in order to use your pre-purchased software. But, they are obviously getting away with it - S1 has become pretty popular over the past couple years. Anyways, perhaps that is the function in Melodyne that Notes is interested in, but until he checks in we'll never know. Notes? My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? rockstar_not #171535 08/31/12 08:09 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton OP Veteran
OP Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Quote: Notes, Why do you think you need this? Melodyne is almost exclusively used for pitch correction/manipulation. If you just need audio editing, there are MANY cheaper audio editors, some of which have pedestrian pitch correction. So, was there a reason you are going for one of the most expensive products? 1) Recommended in a different thread by a few people, including Peter Gannon. I was discussing some things I could edit in MIDI files that I could not edit with audio files, changing notes and a few other things. I've always been able to do extensive editing of BiaB output when it is in MIDI. I don't mess with the Real Tracks because I find editing them very limited and time intensive. Having a note based editor instead of simply waveform display seems like a good idea to me. 2) Pitch to MIDI seems like it could be useful. I could record a live track into PTPro with my sax or guitar and render it to MIDI for use in making styles (if that works). I can do a very good job recording MIDI with my wind controller, keyboard controller and percussion controller, but there are some limitations inherent in those controllers and sometimes it's just easier to pick up the sax or guitar. Actual pitch correction I do not need. I know there is a tc correction in PTPro but I've never even investigated it. I manipulate pitch intentionally. If I want to hit the note flat and scoop up to it, I'll do that. If I want to "press on" a melody note to make it a tiny bit flat for effect, I'll do that. If I want the top voice of a horn section a bit sharp and the bottom a bit flat, I'll do that too. I love MIDI and I don't think it is going anywhere, especially for pro musicians. But a lot of BiaB is leaning towards audio, so I figure I need to jump on board. Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? Notes Norton #171536 08/31/12 09:25 AM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Quote: Quote: Notes, Why do you think you need this? Melodyne is almost exclusively used for pitch correction/manipulation. If you just need audio editing, there are MANY cheaper audio editors, some of which have pedestrian pitch correction. So, was there a reason you are going for one of the most expensive products? 1) Recommended in a different thread by a few people, including Peter Gannon. I was discussing some things I could edit in MIDI files that I could not edit with audio files, changing notes and a few other things. I've always been able to do extensive editing of BiaB output when it is in MIDI. I don't mess with the Real Tracks because I find editing them very limited and time intensive. Having a note based editor instead of simply waveform display seems like a good idea to me. 2) Pitch to MIDI seems like it could be useful. I could record a live track into PTPro with my sax or guitar and render it to MIDI for use in making styles (if that works). I can do a very good job recording MIDI with my wind controller, keyboard controller and percussion controller, but there are some limitations inherent in those controllers and sometimes it's just easier to pick up the sax or guitar. Actual pitch correction I do not need. I know there is a tc correction in PTPro but I've never even investigated it. I manipulate pitch intentionally. If I want to hit the note flat and scoop up to it, I'll do that. If I want to "press on" a melody note to make it a tiny bit flat for effect, I'll do that. If I want the top voice of a horn section a bit sharp and the bottom a bit flat, I'll do that too. I love MIDI and I don't think it is going anywhere, especially for pro musicians. But a lot of BiaB is leaning towards audio, so I figure I need to jump on board. Notes Then that is the product. Have you checked out the Chet Baker example from Melodyne? Pretty convincing. I'm not sure it would work with a dense orchestration, but for trio type of orchestration, seems to work pretty well in their demos. -Scott My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? rockstar_not #171537 08/31/12 09:51 AM Off-Topic
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tomshannon2 Enthusiast Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 40 Naperville, IL	Quote: Quote: Scott, There are lots of pitch correction options out there but the 'audio to midi' capabilities is what knocked my socks off. I do not play keyboards...at all, but I do play guitar. I can take a recorded guitar track and convert it to a midi file and then add any VSTi to it. Perhaps there are other programs that can do that but since I use Presonus Studio One v2 and it comes with Melodyne Essentials and over the summer Melodyne made an offer to Presonus S1 users to upgrade to their top program Melodyne Editor (which can do the audio to MIDI conversion) for $150...I jumped at it! Here an example: Audio to MIDI example Since Notes is a midi power user, perhaps this is what he is excited about Then again...maybe not. You must have paid for an upgrade to get access to your VSTi. That's the single reason I refuse to ever even consider Studio One - one has to pay for the privilege to use VST/VSTi that one has already purchased in the past. I think that's highway robbery, to be honest! I know of no other DAW on the market that forces you to 'pay up' in order to use your pre-purchased software. But, they are obviously getting away with it - S1 has become pretty popular over the past couple years. Anyways, perhaps that is the function in Melodyne that Notes is interested in, but until he checks in we'll never know. Notes? A few years ago I purchased Cubase 5 and the learning curve was daunting...3 months after the Cubase purchase Studio 1 version 1 came out and it looked much easier to use. I already had purchased some Presonus hardware (StudioLive 16.4.2, 8 channel preamp, etc) and was happy with the gear and company, so I decided to cut my losses with Cubase and purchase S1 Pro version. 5 minutes after loading the program, I was making music (I think it took a day and 1/2 before I could get any sound out of Cubase (could be I'm little dense ) but I understand your frustration with their policy. I think that it turns off many people.

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? tomshannon2 #171538 08/31/12 10:37 AM Off-Topic
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bupper Apprentice B Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 123	try a little thing, save a realtrack that has a chart & save it as midi. There you will discover the extent of audio to midi stuff, melodyne is a little better than biab charts BUt not a lot better, if the real chart saved to midi will do you then melodyne is for you BUT otherwise I wouldn't go for it. I have it & there are some things it does well & some things that it doesn't do well

Re: I'm thinking about Melodyne, does it work with PTPro 12? bupper #171539 09/03/12 07:49 AM Off-Topic
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OP Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,104 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I downloaded the Melodyne Editor (30 day free trial), watched many of the videos, read much of the manual, and decided it isn't worth the money. I've recorded some nice bass and piano, but by the time pitch bends of guitar and sax or extreme vibrato like a rock organ go in, the program makes too many wrong guesses. There are controls for this, but it seems to either make too many wrong guesses or misses too many wanted notes - no matter how gently you nudge the slider. The right notes disappear before the wrong ones do. That means in order to fix the file, way too many hours on a note-by-note basis (both wanted and wrong guesses). And it will not do drums (verified by a response from Celemony this morning). It cannot tell the difference between a kick drum, snare, or crash cymbal. I spent a lot of time on it, and I learned a lot. MIDI is better technology. There are just so many things you can edit with MIDI that you cannot do with audio. I'm going to stay predominantly MIDI. People may accuse me of being a Luddite, but nothing can be farther from the truth. I've been involved in audio since my first Wollensak tape recorder. I even had one of those giant Teac 4 track machines, splicing blocks, razor blades, splicing tape, tape head cleaner, demagnetizers , and all the other tools that go with that technology. I've recorded on magnetic tape and computers, and I've done a lot of editing in both analog and digital formats. Until the recording tools get better, real audio is a dinosaur from the past, and MIDI is the best technology (with some exceptions like human voice). MIDI gets a bad name however because it is easy. And because it is easy, a lot of people "program" MIDI instead of playing MIDI. Drum grids, step-entering and ignoring the 128 continuous controllers that can be used to play the MIDI instead of click it in. The result is that it is very easy to make bad to mediocre MIDI and that means there is a lot of it out there programmed by people who didn't take the time to learn how to play the instrument. If I want to listen to somebody else's music, I'll listen to audio (CD, DVD, Vinyl, Tape), but if I want to create music, I will be using MIDI for all things that can be done with MIDI and audio only for those few things that can not be done with MIDI. And I'll wait for better audio editing tools before I switch back to audio. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

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