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Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246334 04/02/14 11:23 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,943 Australia	Dan, When BIAB boots up, do you have special settings such as "at boot up 'open previous song'"? Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246337 04/03/14 12:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Out of Cacophony Enthusiast O Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 19	Here's the most recent load times for my system, submitted to balance out the reporting. All the recorded times are within 1 second of the fastest loading of 4.5 seconds. That's the what - don't know why. - Bootup time in millseconds =4,500 [4/2/2014 11:51:43 PM] ** New Session started at : 4/2/2014 11:51:43 PM - Bootup time in millseconds =4,719 [4/2/2014 11:40:44 PM] New Session started at : 4/2/2014 11:40:44 PM - Bootup time in millseconds =4,958 [4/1/2014 11:27:19 PM] New Session started at : 4/1/2014 11:27:19 PM - Bootup time in millseconds =5,059 [4/1/2014 12:01:20 AM] ** New Session started at : 4/1/2014 12:01:20 AM - Bootup time in millseconds =4,988 [3/30/2014 11:29:11 PM] Seems pretty fast. BIAB resides on a plain Jane hard drive, but is kept defragged and optimized. Nothing unusual on the set up - i7; 16 GB ram; Windows 7. A side note: The 'yellow box' report log is very interesting in itself. Thanks for reminding me of its existence. John E.

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Noel96 #246343 04/03/14 01:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,926 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,926 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Originally Posted By: Noel96 Dan, When BIAB boots up, do you have special settings such as "at boot up 'open previous song'"? Noel I do. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246344 04/03/14 02:01 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,243 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Bit late to the Party but here are my results. Not impressive. It HAS got this bad since the upgrade from 2013. Prior to it, I would be able to boot up to a useable screen in under 10 secs. - Bootup time in millseconds =36,779 [03/04/2014 09:50:36] - Bootup time in millseconds =7,881 [01/04/2014 14:34:51] - Bootup time in millseconds =7,859 [01/04/2014 13:31:37] - Bootup time in millseconds =34,479 [01/04/2014 13:28:58] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,201 [31/03/2014 21:58:39] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,304 [31/03/2014 19:34:46] - Bootup time in millseconds =7,931 [31/03/2014 17:57:16] - Bootup time in millseconds =32,693 [31/03/2014 16:34:51] - Bootup time in millseconds =10,665 [26/03/2014 10:59:35] - Bootup time in millseconds =32,268 [25/03/2014 10:09:11] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,222 [24/03/2014 21:43:08] - Bootup time in millseconds =7,735 [24/03/2014 20:40:27] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,586 [24/03/2014 20:35:17] - Bootup time in millseconds =32,510 [24/03/2014 11:33:06] - Bootup time in millseconds =32,699 [23/03/2014 20:04:45] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,202 [19/03/2014 20:01:10] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,238 [19/03/2014 19:56:24] - Bootup time in millseconds =25,400 [19/03/2014 19:46:48] - Bootup time in millseconds =34,385 [19/03/2014 12:05:56] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,225 [18/03/2014 21:01:56] - Bootup time in millseconds =32,905 [18/03/2014 20:58:20] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,296 [17/03/2014 20:53:40] - Bootup time in millseconds =34,460 [17/03/2014 18:59:06] - Bootup time in millseconds =34,692 [17/03/2014 10:18:14] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,407 [13/03/2014 21:03:53] - Bootup time in millseconds =35,100 [13/03/2014 20:57:13] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,821 [12/03/2014 19:53:57] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,169 [12/03/2014 16:38:43] - Bootup time in millseconds =13,124 [12/03/2014 16:38:15] Seems to me to be the first Boot up of the day that is long. Provided I keep the PC running, later BB bootups are in the 8 - 10 sec region. cheers ian Last edited by sixchannel; 04/03/14 03:55 AM. Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin sixchannel #246376 04/03/14 07:08 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda DrDan OP Veteran
OP DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda	PG, In my effort to keep this flame burning... I would be pleased to offer my service to beta test an upgrade patch to resolve this mystery. I have BIAB running on both a Win7 and Win8 machine and am experiencing some of the longest boot times and the broadest variablity reported on both of them. I can tell you my evaulation as a beta tester will get my highest priority. hehe, hope I am not being presumptuous! Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Matt Finley #246377 04/03/14 07:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,437 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,437 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Originally Posted By: Noel96 Dan, When BIAB boots up, do you have special settings such as "at boot up 'open previous song'"? Noel I do. I don't, always starts up as new 'blank' song, yet there is significant variance in the boot time. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246392 04/03/14 08:28 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	I remember when Sampletank was first provided those with big ST libraries were reporting long load times. Somebody said that there is a setting in ST that tells it which libraries to load and which not to load. If any song that is loaded on bootup has even one of the new PG supertracks that uses a ST patch then ST will load everything. One of my projects I haven't gotten around to yet is to figure out how to tell ST what to load and what to ignore on boot up and then test the boot times. I'm too busy at work for the next few weeks to mess with this but it could be something for you guys to look at. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246432 04/03/14 01:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda DrDan OP Veteran
OP DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda	Accidently hit the close button so immediately had to reopen. - Bootup time in millseconds =7,733 [4/3/2014 3:34:49 PM] - Bootup time in millseconds =72,483 [4/3/2014 3:34:17 PM] Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246454 04/03/14 05:49 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,926 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,926 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Now that a wide range of start times has been established, I wonder if PG Music needs other info? BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Matt Finley #246496 04/04/14 05:19 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda DrDan OP Veteran
OP DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Now that a wide range of start times has been established, I wonder if PG Music needs other info? Yes, all they have to do now is ask. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Bob_B #246533 04/04/14 04:13 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B Journeyman
Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	Regarding antivirus and the lag -- I excluded the BB: folder from MSE protection, and it made quite a difference. Look below: - Bootup time in millseconds =8,995 [4/4/2014 7:10:10 PM] - Bootup time in millseconds =36,706 [4/3/2014 6:55:30 PM] April 3rd (lower listing) was prior to exclusion @37 seconds, while it only took 9 seconds when MSE didn't scan the BB: folder. After excluding BBW.exe: - Bootup time in millseconds =7,387 [4/5/2014 9:11:35 AM] FWIW. Bob Last edited by jazzwombat; 04/05/14 06:12 AM. Reason: Added bootup after excluding bbw.exe Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Bob_B #246536 04/04/14 04:49 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Rachael Expert R Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,616	Originally Posted By: jazzwombat Regarding antivirus and the lag -- I excluded the BB: folder from MSE protection, and it made quite a difference. Look below: - Bootup time in millseconds =8,995 [4/4/2014 7:10:10 PM] - Bootup time in millseconds =36,706 [4/3/2014 6:55:30 PM] Try excluding the BBW.EXE process as well.

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #246543 04/04/14 06:28 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,444 Wauconda	OK, turns out I did not have these excluded. So when I do: After Excluding: Bootup time in millseconds =7,445 [4/4/2014 8:23:08 PM] Before Excluding - Bootup time in millseconds =36,327 [4/4/2014 5:54:52 PM] We have seen the faster second loads in the past. Given that I rarely turnoff this machine I didn't think this could really be a factor. Time will now tell if the AV exclusion (the whole c:\bb folder) really helps. Its the next day now, and the machine has not been turned off: Bootup time in millseconds =6,227 [4/5/2014 8:10:58 AM] Now for the test. I am going to shut down the machine and restart. - Bootup time in millseconds =14,651 [4/5/2014 8:16:33 AM] Still some large variation going on, but the magnitude of the time appears to be significantly decreased by excluding the c:\bb folder from AV scanning during startup. Last edited by jazzmandan; 04/05/14 06:19 AM. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Rachael #246564 04/05/14 06:13 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	Originally Posted By: Rachael Try excluding the BBW.EXE process as well. Yes. Excluding BBW.exe reduced startup by 1.5 seconds (see my edited post). Bob Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin Bob_B #246615 04/05/14 12:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,437 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: jazzwombat Originally Posted By: Rachael Try excluding the BBW.EXE process as well. Yes. Excluding BBW.exe reduced startup by 1.5 seconds (see my edited post). Bob Hi Bob I'm interested if that start-up time without the MSE scan is consistent over multiple starts, including after computer reboots. Many other users (myself included) got wide-ranging start-up times with the A/V scan included. Thanks Trevor BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin AudioTrack #246619 04/05/14 02:11 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B Journeyman
Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	Originally Posted By: VideoTrack Originally Posted By: jazzwombat Originally Posted By: Rachael Try excluding the BBW.EXE process as well. Yes. Excluding BBW.exe reduced startup by 1.5 seconds (see my edited post). Bob Hi Bob I'm interested if that start-up time without the MSE scan is consistent over multiple starts, including after computer reboots. Many other users (myself included) got wide-ranging start-up times with the A/V scan included. Thanks Trevor Hi Trevor: I launched BIAB again this evening and got this: - Bootup time in millseconds =7,059 [4/5/2014 5:08:49 PM] That's pretty close to my earlier startup with MSE excluding bbw.exe. Obviously, not enough samples for statistical significance, but the similarity suggests that excluding bbw.exe from antivirus probing may be the way to go. Bob Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: BIAB Startup Time needs a fixin DrDan #248188 04/26/14 09:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,137 GA USA	I don't have that option on my latest mac BIAB version to check load speed....but this week I bumped my 2011 iMac up to 32g RAM and everything is flying. I can re-gen and render much quicker. In fact, I loaded every memory intensive program I have, Logic Pro X, BIAB, Amadaeus, iTunes, Pages, iMovie, Safari and 4 photo editing programs -- and the result was a usage of "only" 10g and I could detect no slow down on any operations. I can render a track from BIAB and pop it in a Logic project in a very few seconds. I was previously running 4g. I have no idea how my load time was affected by the upgrade (seemed fast before) but overall the upgrade dramatically changed my whole production experience. And it's cool to have EVERYTHING you might need open with no issues. J&B Videos J&B Soundcloud J&B Website

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