RB is a DAW with a lot of BiaB functions. It does not have all the features, but allows one to open BiaB files and add to them and regenerate portions, and mix and complete songs.
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Probably Yes, although I think it would depend on the project. RB is a DAW, so you could use that or you could use something else.
[I happen to use SONAR, but only because I learned Cakewalk programs before PG Music offered their own version. So, my workflow is BIAB into SONAR.]
However, RB can do something NO other DAW can do, and that is open a BIAB song file directly. Then you can regenerate parts of tracks, something even BIAB cannot do.
Thus, my recommendation is that you fire up RB and learn what it is capable of, as you may want to use it even if you also own a third-party DAW.
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As I use only 64-bit vsts, I don't think that is RB's strength. But you are right, I will spend some time getting to know it before I rule it out.
I especially noted your comment "However, RB can do something NO other DAW can do, and that is open a BIAB song file directly. Then you can regenerate parts of tracks, something even BIAB cannot do." That seems to be a big plus!
RB 2015 can use 64bit VSTis, and VSTs. So that is not a problem. I have track several projects entirely in RB. I seldom even use BiaB anymore. I find RB does 90% of what BiaB does in simply generating basic tracks for a song bed. I mix and process them right there. If i run into a situation where i can't get RB to do what i want i have Presonus' Studio one Pro where i can do what ever i want.
SIde note i was noodling around in Studio one last night, and trying different sampler sounds that come with the program. I was messing with a drum track that was basically a midi file i downloaded. I ran the file through EzDrummer, which is so easy in SD1, all one has to do is drag the VSTi onto the track, and a box pops up and asks "do you want to replace what ver synth it is using" Which in my case was their "Presence" sampler. Then i opened up EzDrummer and set it to multi output, and in the track inspector in SD1 their was a drop down arrow i opened it and it has check boxes for all the outputs of EZD. check each one and a track appears for each. Add effects to taste and mix down. Very cool deal.
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If going to a 3rd-party DAW (with non-FX BIAB/RB tracks) is the goal, would the path BIAB to RB to DAW be the recommended path?
RB allows audio recording but BIAB offers more options (from Robh), so I would think that both BIAB and RB need to be in the equation.
Absolutely.... that's my path... however, rarely does anything I create in BB end up in my finished song projects. Most of the tracks I use are generated in RB and they are the tracks you hear in my tunes, along with me playing live. All live recording is done in Sonar.
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... Are there any functions in BIAB not available in RealBand?
Yes. Depending on how you work you may notice them or you may not. BiaB is much faster at generating/creating new ideas; it is setup to try a lot of different variations/styles very fast. RB is more of a "I want to do this here and that there' type setup. It requires more input from the user, but also offers some features/controls that BiaB does not, so your question can go both ways.
If you have some DAW experience and familiarity, you may find the RB workflow much more flexible and powerful. It's more linear (like most other DAWs). If you don't, BiaB may be more suitable to you. There are many users who don't seem to mind the difference between the two. They are separate programs for a reason. I hope this remains so for the foreseeable future. Both have their strengths.
They are very different in how they actually perform, but both do indeed share a lot of the same functions .. it's all about your workflow.
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Thanks to all who replied...including tech support.
I have gone through many videos while running both BIAB and RB, and now appreciate the differences between the two.
I am amazed at the power of BIAB and the quickness to get down ideas.
RB is definitely useful - especially, as was pointed out, for loading up a BIAB song directly. However, as a Reaper user, RB probably won't replace it... but who know?
Once you go back and forth a few times between Reaper and RB (to add another part, or change a part you generated previously) you may adjust this opinion. Or you may find that getting the 'basic idea' down in BB (style/chords/tempo) is quick, but then you can have more control finishing up the generating/arranging in RB. Then comes the decision of 'when do I need to leave RB and go to another DAW?'.
That's the line that fluctuates for a lot of users. I grew up on PT, so the workflow in RB and knowledge of how it works allows me to stay there for most if not all of the project. Do whatever fits and feels comfortable for you. You're farther than a lot of users already. If you understand what RB does, you'll know when you want to use it. Many BB users never even open RB!
Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
I have found at times that RB is actually easier than the big DAWs like reaper, sonar, studio one to do basic tracking in. I like to use it for most projects.
Where I tend to move over is where I want to really do some advanced type techniques on a project. Still RB will handle a pretty complex mix if you learn it. It has all the basics.
When I bounce a project to, or start a project in Studio one is where I either have no BiaB tracks involved, or I just need some real complex tricks. Like I said above. SD1 has the best comping and drag and drop features I have seen the more I dig in I appreciate the thought that went into that DAW program. It is a very young program and does not have the crazy routing of reaper, but to me that was too much work. It does not have as many big name plug ins as sonar, nor does it have as rich of a midi system, but I don't do full midi written tracks. What SD1 does best is save workload, and to my ear has the best headroom available for tracking. It also has a plethora of unbelievable workflow enhancements.
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Isn't DAW functionality speculative? Realband recorded audio and will let you split tracks into clips but I don't think it did everything Cubase Sx could do did it. What are things that RealBand does better than Cubase 5 Sonar X3 Similitude Reason 7 Apple Logic Orion Synapse Reaper Fruity Loops Ableton LIve All of these are so different from each other
We should respect how our competitors do things because more or less most of these aren't that expensive. So I always try to support the creators of products when I can.
Yes, DAWs are all different to suit different needs, and you can always use the one you want for whatever you choose to do. Some of us consider the realtrack/realdrum availability so huge that we end up needing a reason to leave RB as opposed to a reason to use it. If I need something it doesn't do I'll use another DAW at that point.
Realband excels above others at: Generating/Regenerating tracks (audio and MIDI) like BiaB. Multiriff - Generates lots of variations to more quickly assemble a track. Pitch Shift audio; with the algorithm in use (Elastique) it does this quite well and pretty quickly.
other things I like and feel are better than some .. Direct support of JBridge A couple of the PGMusic FX included with RB including PeakLimit, RTA and Vinyl Tool make some tasks quick and easy. Vinyl tool is liked by many who are transferring their vinyl albums to digital. Once discovered it is often used for this task.
MIDI editing is pretty powerful in RB compared to some others, with the data filter options (X2) it can do a lot in one pass. This is especially true if you use Sysex and uncommon CC's and such. Also routing MIDI to ports; 16 ports with 16 channels and lots of flexibility.
Hidden backups; every time you save you can have a backup of the previous version stored (and with a different filename extension so it doesn't clutter your current lists). I know a few people that didn't appreciate this until they needed it. You can also control how many backups of a given file and how many altogether, and even decide what happens when you exceed desired limits. If more people knew about this it may save them some time/effort when they think they lost work, or a file got corrupted, or a rogue plugin won't allow the song to open, or they messed up a mix ..
Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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