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Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 #495065 10/10/18 11:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy Sergino OP Apprentice
OP Sergino Apprentice Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy	I had hoped that with new Biab versions (2017 and 2018) my problems with substyles would stop. I still have erratic arrangiaments when I use substyles C,D E,F and so on). Sometimes I hear only the drums, some other times, it does not change style, or plays substyle A instead of E. Am I the only one who use substyles with problems here? I have tried to contact the support team without any answer after the first in which they say to send the files and I have sent them. Sergino Bandinabox 2024 standard (2020 Audiophile) VST3 plugins on Studio One Pro 6.1 Windows 11(SSD) - AMD Radeon R9 5950X - 32GB RAM MOTU: 2408 MkIII - 24i - Traveler - MIDI Express XT

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495084 10/10/18 12:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,141 DC Ron Expert
DC Ron Expert Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,141	If it's any consolation, I have the same problems. I LOVE BiaB, and have been updating annually, most recently to the audiophile version, for many years. But a subset of features (substyles, oohs, pushes, Amplitube integration, etc) just don't work, or work but don't sound as musical as the other stuff. So I hug the parts that work for me and hope the next release gets to my challenges. A poor response, I know. But a world with the BiaB we have is better than one without... DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One StudioCat DAW dual screen Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495086 10/10/18 01:21 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382 K Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff
Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff K Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382	Hi Sergino, How long ago did you send the song files? I'm not finding any emails from you since you were asked to send the files in January, so we may not have received the email. Can you send another email to support@pgmusic.com now with song files attached that demonstrate the issue? What you're describing does sound like what would happen if you were using different style types. For example, if the main style uses RealTracks, and you assign a MIDI style as C and D, or vice versa, you'd only hear drums during the sections where the MIDI style is used. Thanks Kent PG Music

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495089 10/10/18 01:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	I think another way to say this is that RealTracks do not play more than A and B substyles. At least I'm not aware of any that do. Would that be correct? BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495093 10/10/18 02:29 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi If you go to style picker and sort under the sub style column you will find a hand full at the top or bottom depending on ascending or descending sort. In fact they are all realstyles _jazmedl in fact gives 18 There are 1 16, 1 14, 1 10, 2 8, 2 6 and quite a few 4s So not sure there Mat? Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495177 10/11/18 05:27 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,583 Pensacola, Florida	You can't mix and match MIDI and Real on the same track within a style. If you start out with a RealStyle piano on say the piano track, and then invoke a substyle that uses a MIDI piano on the piano track, it's just not going to play. And vice versa. I'm not sure it this is what is happening, but it is definitely one of the ways to keep a track from playing properly. As I understand it, if you switch from RealTrack to RealTrack, that should work (but I would have to test it) and switching from MIDI to MIDI on the same track has worked for a very long time. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495197 10/11/18 06:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Mike, thanks for that info. I was referring to individual ReslTracks, not RealStyles, but I’ll take another look at it. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495202 10/11/18 06:46 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	HI Just to make sure are we talking about what BIAB calls sub styles in the style picker A B C D E etc all different colour bar markers after the normall A and B blue green There can be up to 18 of these as in realstyle _jazmedl, see #substyle column. I have no problem with these and played around last night with the above style up to G, swapping every 4 bars. I think this is what the op was talking about, Not swapping whole styles at different bars in a song for another style. Just my thoughts Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495203 10/11/18 06:49 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,883 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	You may be correct, Mike. I’ll keep following this thread to see what the exact problem is. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495212 10/11/18 07:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi again Just another thought . If your song uses say a six substyle real style for the song. Then you can not bring in realtracks from another style that did not have at least 6 substyles, then that track will have holes where the missing sub styles are used in the song Say F and G if trying to use a 4 sub style track in a song bassed on a 6 substyle style. Mike Last edited by Mike Head; 10/11/18 07:55 AM. BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Mike Head #495483 10/12/18 11:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy Sergino OP Apprentice
OP Sergino Apprentice Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy	No MIDI. I use 2016,17,18 standard real tracks and 2015 audiophile real tracks. From the previoous answers I read there are some other limits in the use of substyles that I will check. Then next week I will send again some files to support. Thanks to everybody Sergino Bandinabox 2024 standard (2020 Audiophile) VST3 plugins on Studio One Pro 6.1 Windows 11(SSD) - AMD Radeon R9 5950X - 32GB RAM MOTU: 2408 MkIII - 24i - Traveler - MIDI Express XT

Re: Still having porblems with substyles since BIAB 2016 Sergino #495546 10/12/18 03:29 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff K Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382	Hi Sergino, Great! Please put "Attention Kent" in the email's subject line, and refer to this thread. Cheers Kent PG Music

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