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I use Power Tracks Pro to sequence tunes for my MIDI band organ. Most of the pieces have four or five different tracks, all sent to channel 1, the MIDI channel that is playing the pipes. I only have one controller for the pipes and the different tracks are the different instruments playing the pipes. There are a few pieces that use channel 2 to play the drums (unconventional, but its what I did before I knew better) Its almost all type 1 files. I just got a package, a ReadeR, that can free my setup from the computer. You load the tunes in a box, then the MIDI comes out of the box and into the controller on the band organ. This ReadeR thingy needs type 0 files. When I use Power Tracks Pro to convert them, I think it is garbling up the tracks. If I convert it, then load it, the tracks get renumbered to channel 1, 2, 3... instead of all being on channel 1. There is a lot of stuff I don't understand and this is one of them. Is there a way to convert these Type 1 files to type 0 and keep the channel integrity?
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File - Save As
Then select Type 0 as the type.
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I do that, but the channels get renumbered. Before I saved it, I made most of the tracks go to channel 1. After I save it as type 0 and reload it, all the tracks are renumbered to the same channel as the track. They are no longer all channel 1.
Bill
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Midi Type 0 is the Midi format for Midi devices which use the serial presentation of Midi data in a single data stream. The Midi player still requires the channel data to be included to separate out selected instruments and their relevant data. Midi Type 1 is used when the Mid devices can deal with the extended track format essential for all Midi editing purposes. You need to save a copy of your file as Midi Format 0 just for your player and retain the RealBand/PTW copy in a Seq format for editing purposes.
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Sounds like the ReadeR might need you to merge all your tracks down to one track before saving it as a type 0
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I was under the impression that I could take a type 1 file and convert it to type 0 and retain the channel data. Today my type 1 files contain four or five tracks of data that go to channel 1 and a couple of tracks that go to channel 2. If I open a file in Power Tracks and save it as type 0, then reopen it without extracting to multiple tracks it shows up on one track. If I open it and answer yes, then the data is extracted to seperate tracks but with new and completely different channel data from my original type 1 file. Since my player is only looking for channel 1 and channel 2 data, much of the music is missing.
On merging onto one track. That would work but would be tedious for one of my files with no drums. If the file has another channel of data, then I need it to remain on that track after converting to type 0.
I can send a sample file if someone would like to see it.
I'm a bit of a rookie on this stuff and certainly appreciate your, I hope, continued interest in this matter.
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Bill
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Type 0 puts everything on one track (which I assume your Reader is looking for)
Type 1 allows separate tracks and channels
PT offers to open Type 0 as Type 1 by extracting the channels to tracks.
Rechanneling a track n PT is a piece of cake; use Edit-Recannel' and it is done very fast for the selected region of a track. What channel the drums were on is trivial when it can be changed this fast.
I just thought of something. In PT are you using the "MIDI channel assign" in the right-click menu of the Tracks window? Or even in the older legacy Window?
If so, try using the 'rechannel' method above to make sure those channels are hard written to the channel you want. Try that method and let us know. I have found in the past that selecting the MIDI channel in the other menu sometimes doesn't 'stick'. Hard writing has always worked here. If it does work this way I'll explain why.
Last edited by rharv; 06/05/11 10:14 AM.
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On rechanneling. Not really a problem to assign the channels. The problem is making the channel assignments stick when the conversion is done to type 0. On MIDI channel assign. I have version 12. When I right click in one of the tracks in the tracks menu I do not see "MIDI Channel Assign" in the menu. Just the list to pick the channel.  Ahh. I always pick the channel by right clicking on the track. Has always worked fine playing back in PTP. So I selected a half dozen tracks and went back to the edit menu and did edit rechannel with the numbers set 1,16,1,1 and the channel assignments did not change. ??? We might be on the right track. Bill
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This works on the highlited (selected) region. Check the "From-Thru" settings to make sure the whole track is selected, then rechannel. I mention this in case some weird problem arises.
Like I said; this method has worked reliably for me when the other method (right-click menu) didn't.
And yes, the other method always works fine in playback in PT, but for some reason it doesn't 'stick' in some other devices/programs. I figger it's a feature that is common, but not ALL devices support it. Hard writing forces the data to be wirtten in a way that it is more reliable.
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I couldn't make the rechannel change things any.
I took a .mid file created by PTP and loaded it into Record Producer and compared the channels. The tracks that Record Producer displayed were not the same as the tracks displayed in PTP and the channel assignments were also different.
If I simply load a file in PTP and save it as type 0, then reload it and let it seperate the tracks it is also different.
As long as PTP is the one sending the data to the MIDI device it seems to work as expected. I have hardware set to particular channels and it receives it correctly. Whats odd is when another device like Record Producer or ReadeR uses the same data it treats it differently.
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I just opened the same file with PTP, Anvil, Finale and Record Producer. Power Tracks has the first four tracks going to channel 1 as I wanted. When I open the file with all the others, the first four tracks are 1, 2, 3, 4. There is something about the way that PTP is reading the midi file and assigning tracks that is different from the others.
As I noted before, if I save a PTP file as type 0, then reopen it and let it "extract channels to multiple tracks", it reassigns the tracks to channels 1, 2, 3, 4, like everyone else.
I have quite a few tunes that I have set up with PTP that need to be made into Type 0 files and if I don't find a way to fix this I'll be looking for another sequencer.
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Merge all channel 1 tracks to Track 1
Merge all channel 2 tracks to track 2.
Also, make sure you don't have a check in the MIDI preferences area that says "Automatically rechannel midi data when saving to mid file"
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The box is in the file preferences. It was not checked. I checked it and saved a file as a type 0 file. It merged all the channel 1 on one channel and all the channel 2 on another and some bit hash on channel 10. This will work. I just need to always keep a copy of the unmerged files in case I want to change something. This will work fine. I moved the file into the ReadeR and all the pipes, bells and drums played as if it were driven from a type 1 file from PTP in a PC.
Thanks a lot for your help.
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Hi clarkwd,
Your original Type1 MIDI file must have MIDI data on various channels. The way that MIDI works is every individual event (note on, note off, pitch bend, program change, etc.) is assigned to a specific channel. So, one track could contain notes that are assigned to different channels.
You can find out what is really going on by looking at the MIDI Event List for each track. You can get to this window by selecting a track, and then clicking on Window | New | Event List (or just hit the F2 key on your keyboard). The column "Ch" lists the channel number for each event.
If you find that the channel numbers for all the notes in a track are not all the same, or not the desired number, you need to use the "Rechannel All Tracks" feature. NOTE that this is different than the "Rechannel..." feature that you were previously trying to use. You should save a backup copy of your MIDI file before using the "Rechannel All Tracks" feature.
The "Rechannel All Tracks" function will re-write ALL events on ALL tracks to channel number assigned to each track. So, before you click on Edit | Rechannel All Tracks, right-click on each track and see what the "Channel:" assignment is, because this is what you are going to change the MIDI events to.
Another important thing to remember is that if you succeed in changing multiple tracks ALL to channel 1, then make a Type0 file, you will not be able to split those tracks back to how they were. This is because the channel number for each event is the only way to divide MIDI information in a Type0 file. So, make sure to save a backup copy of the Type1 file.
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The box is in the file preferences. It was not checked. I checked it and saved a file as a type 0 file. It merged all the channel 1 on one channel and all the channel 2 on another and some bit hash on channel 10. This will work. I just need to always keep a copy of the unmerged files in case I want to change something. This will work fine. I moved the file into the ReadeR and all the pipes, bells and drums played as if it were driven from a type 1 file from PTP in a PC.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Life is good.
Bill
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