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#135669 - 11/26/11 06:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Custom Real Tracks?
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Hi Folks,

We all know that BIAB has amazing features. Since the Real Tracks came out a few years ago, I've been mulling over something that would truly make BIAB amazing: The ability to make your own custom Real Tracks!

I think I saw somewhere on this forum that I was possible to either create or edit the Drum Tracks. But I see a huge possibility for the average user, as well as potential 3rd party markets.

Maybe this should be in the Wishlist Forum, but I just want run it by everyone here first, what are your thoughts??

Thanks,
Ed

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#135670 - 11/26/11 07:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Edward Buckley]
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Hi Ed,

I think PG Music have created an amazing invention with Realtracks and they deserve all the accolades that result from this. The company also has the highest integrity of any that I have dealt with both locally and on the internet. Personally, I think that PG Music should be hesitant about making their technology too freely available to others because, in my opinion, they have earned every success that Realtracks has the potential to bring them.

My observations over the years is that once an opportunity is opened for 3rd party markets, quality can no longer be controlled nor guaranteed. This, in turn, can negatively impact on the original product.

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#135671 - 11/26/11 07:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Edward Buckley]
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Quote:

Hi Folks,

We all know that BIAB has amazing features. Since the Real Tracks came out a few years ago, I've been mulling over something that would truly make BIAB amazing: The ability to make your own custom Real Tracks!

I think I saw somewhere on this forum that I was possible to either create or edit the Drum Tracks. But I see a huge possibility for the average user, as well as potential 3rd party markets.

Maybe this should be in the Wishlist Forum, but I just want run it by everyone here first, what are your thoughts??

Thanks,
Ed




It is possible to move the realtrack to the soloist or melody tracks (edit copy/move tracks) and as most of the realtracks have realcharts it is then possible to select one of the midi instruments, some will sound better than others.

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#135672 - 11/26/11 07:59 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: musiclover]
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Ed, you are correct, you can create your own RealDrums. There is a tutorial somewhere around here.

Ever since that became possible, there have been requests to roll your own RealTracks. I would love to lay some of me in one for my own use. However, PG Music uses a proprietary process to generate them, and it would have to make that process available. I can envision several legitimate reasons why they would not.
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#135673 - 11/27/11 07:37 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Matt Finley]
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Hi Ed

By taking your song into Realband (comes free with BIAB)and doing some cutting and pasting with the Realtracks and your own input you can "sort of" create your own custom Realtrack.

Give Realband a try and with the help of the good people in these forums you'll find it opens up a whole lot of possibilities for customizing your songs the way you want to hear them.

Also check out the very informative user videos posted here and on youtube.
You'll learn a lot and have fun along the way.

http://www.pgmusic.com/videos.user.htm

Enjoy the ride.
Carkins

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#135674 - 11/27/11 08:11 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: carkins]
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if you can play well enough to make a real track you'd actually be willing to use, wouldn't it be about as easy to just record your own playing?

Seems to me that the making of a real track (even if the format were available to the general public) would require a LOT more work than simply playing a passage that fits the current song.

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#135675 - 11/27/11 10:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Pat Marr]
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It would be good to have a Real Style 'wizard' interface including Real Drums along the same lines as the midi style wizard.

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Alan

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#135676 - 11/28/11 10:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Pat Marr]
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if you can play well enough to make a real track you'd actually be willing to use, wouldn't it be about as easy to just record your own playing?




Key point made here. I agree.

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#135677 - 11/28/11 04:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: MikeK]
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Well, IF I did play every instrument, maybe I would not need Real Tracks at all, but since I don't, it would be great to have RT in many more styles, vocals-Horn hits-Latin Percussion, etc.
And we can't expect PG music to come up with 2 million different RTs. So why not give users the ability to make them??I don't sing, even backup, but I do have musicians in my studio roster who do, so it would be awesome to have their talents to use in BIAB!

Ed

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#135678 - 11/28/11 08:22 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: Edward Buckley]
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Good point Ed.

I can play guitar marginally and vocalize even less but BIAB/RB's Realtracks let me get my songs out of my head and into the air.

The more control or ability that those of us less adept can have to modify these fine tracks, the better.
Each time they upgate the programs they add more features to improve the process.

Whether BIAB and Realband's Realtracks will ever get to the point you (or I) wish for, we'll have to wait and see, but no harm in adding it to the wishlist.

Til then, learn as much as you can about the available features of both programs and you may be surprised at how much you can accomplish.

Carkins

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#135679 - 11/29/11 05:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: carkins]
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Biggest reason to open up real tracks to the world is the fact that pgmusic as good as it is can't produce all of the different real tracks that would be available. If pro 3rd party houses were privy to the method and then offered them to the public it would greatly increase the value of the program.

second, the technology would no doubt be so daunting that only 3rd party houses could offer them. PG in fact could offer license fees to the 3rd party like NI does for kontact sounds and increase there revenue stream even further.
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#135680 - 11/29/11 05:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Custom Real Tracks? [Re: earl kirby]
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My thoughts on this is it sounds good on the surface but consider that the RT's are tightly integrated into Biab. Regular VSTi's are merely sample players and a sound developer only has to create their sounds in a specific format. Here, a 3rd party would have to have access to the inner workings of Biab in order to test them out properly and be intimately familiar with Biab's programming because it's not just sounds they're dealing with, it's how do the RT's sound when they're chopped up into pieces by Biab and how do they sound with all the other RT's in a style. That's the holy grail to PG Music. I'm certainly not an insider but I doubt that could ever happen.

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