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this was mentioned in another thread along with the suggestion that it should be added to the tips and tricks. Since the original poster (Silvertones) has not done so, I've decided to go ahead and post it because I think it is a great idea, and one that not very many people know about:

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Since RB doesn't regenerate every track when you regenerate one of them, You can get more variety between tracks by changing the chord sheet slightly for each track. Some instruments may sound better with a busier set of chords while other tracks/instruments sound best with a very simple arrangement.

Adding transitional chords can really influence the way decorative or solo instruments embellish the fundamental chord pattern.

Also, by changing the slash note for different tracks, you can eliminate redundancy and introduce controlled harmonic progressions at the bottom end.

You can also get some interesting effects by varying the shots, holds, rests, pushes, pulls and section markers from one track to the next

Strings may sound better with a simple triad, while a more complex chord may allow another track more freedom of movement. These are just a few thoughts, your experimentation may yield far more benefits than I've touched on here.



reference threads:
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=356302&an=0&page=0#Post356302

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=356624&Main=356412#Post356624

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I have an idea that this is cumbersome, but could someone explain how to do this??

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I have an idea that this is cumbersome, but could someone explain how to do this??

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Not cumbersome at all, John. Let me start with BIAB then talk about this particular way in which RB is different.

IN BIAB, when you generate a song, ALL of the parts regenerate. They all follow the same chords, the same timing, the same part markers etc. The result in some cases is that the song can become too "sing-songy" and predictable

In RB, each track can be generated seperately. This means you can change the chords or part markers etc for each instrument. for example maybe you want one instrument to play a busier chord pattern that includes transitional chords... but you want another instrument to hold the same root chord the whole time, or to change chords less often. you could enter the complicated chords first:

D,G A,Bm | G,A D/F#,G <- This set of chords would generate a fairly busy track

D A | G D <-by removing some of the chords, another instrument can be generated with a simpler accompaniment

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i think I have it now.

will try.

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Thought I had it.

First create song in BB.

Then open MGU in RB and change chords in ACW?? then send to RB and generate the RT??

confusing.

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as a general rule, when you open a BIAB song, you'll probably want to go ahead and generate the song just as you had it in BIAB. Even without the ACW, the chord window should be populated with the same chords that were in BIAB.

In RB you have separate windows for tracks and chords. After you've generated the songwithe the same chords, you can go to the chords window and make changes to the chords there. Then if you regenerate any of the existing tracks or if yoy create a new track, it will follow whatever chords are in the chord window at the time of generation.

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Glad you re-posted this Pat, it's a great idea!

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Tommy,
in conjunction with your idea of substituting the relative minor for major chords, and vice versa, you could do the same thing here. It would take some experimentation to get backing tracks that work with completely different chords... but you might get some snippets that are worth saving, that probably would not have generated otherwise.

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Pat,

After the song opens in RB, your at the chord screen which looks exactly like BB screen. To fiddle with chords per "player" you have to launch ACW correct??

when I am done in ACW, then there is an option to send to RB.

Basically what is your work method, what is confusing me as I fiddled with ACW, is If I change chords for a guitar part, but don't touch other instruments, will the other instruments still play their original parts??

Lastly, should I do my shots and holds and rests in BB and save before opening in Real Band??

This is interesting, a lot of steps but your help is appreciated.

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After the song opens in RB, your at the chord screen which looks exactly like BB screen. To fiddle with chords per "player" you have to launch ACW correct??




nope. You can edit the chords right on the chord sheet that looks like BIABs chord sheet.

The only time you need ACW is when you are importing another song (like maybe a song from a CD that you want to learn)... ACW can help extract the chords when you don't already know them. But with PGMusic products, the songs you create should always have the chords on the chord window.

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when I am done in ACW, then there is an option to send to RB. Basically what is your work method,




my work method is to NOT use ACW in this case. That's what's making this more complicated than it has to be.

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what is confusing me as I fiddled with ACW, is If I change chords for a guitar part, but don't touch other instruments, will the other instruments still play their original parts??




assuming you changed the chords in the RB chord window, and not the ACW... the answer to your question depends on which generate method you use. If you regenerate the whole song, then all of the tracks will change. But if you highlight part or all of a track then regenerate THAT, it's the only thing that will change. The other tracks should remain as they were

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Lastly, should I do my shots and holds and rests in BB and save before opening in Real Band??




I'm not sure which way is best. I would probably try to figure that out by doing it both ways, then deciding which way worked best for me.

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This is interesting, a lot of steps but your help is appreciated. JT




it is my pleasure to offer what little assistance I can. So many people here have helped me too.

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Personally I do my holds, fills, shots etc as much as I can in BIAB, then export to RB.
If RTs don't sound correct with the holds etc, then I will change the RB Chord sheet and regenerate a particular RT.

It's a good idea if we could only save each chord window version or permutation of each track change using the chord sheet.

Sounds like fun. Thanks for the initiative Pat.

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Interesting idea.

You can also do the same thing in BIAB. You could generate an arrangement - freeze all the tracks except one and then change the chords. The changed chords will only affect the unfrozen track which will now follow the new chords... All the other instruments will be frozen and so will be following the original chords.

I'm wondering if this is in fact what Ian was suggesting in the previous post.

I just tried this in BIAB to generate a guitar solo - I used some interesting chord substitutions and it certainly made for a more varied solo! The solo still "worked" over the original arrangement but it was more interesting than a RT solo that just followed the original chords..

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This is a very helpful thread, thanks for posting this insight. I'm looking forward to trying the techniques described here soon!


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