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Hi Rachel - the dynamics of the cocktail party - Actually if they moved a couple of step closer (cozy) rather than try to talk across wider spaces, there wouldn't be a problem - their conversation volume goes up in direct proportion to alcohol consumption  - I spent 20 years playing in bars with no monitoring system, just and my acoustic - sat right next to the column speaker as the monitor, that way I got the ones that reaLLY wanted to listen sitting right up front - the people at the back took their response cues from those at front.  If I had to do it again I'd probably look at the "ear buds". They might save hearing damage when trying to compete with loud groups. Anyway, I found this link about the history of these "buds" http://www.livesoundint.com/archives/2001/julyaug/earworn1/earworn1.php Cheers
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We used Hot Spot monitors and found them to work extremely well in these types of situations. We used the ones with a volume control as it gave each musician control over their monitors and also virtually eliminated feedback. ...
I recently bought myself one of these , an Alesis Transactive 50 for this very same purpose.
After 3 gigs I’m extremely happy with this solution.
The unit also sits on top of a straight mike stand so you can easily station it within arm’s length. This is important as it means you can adjust the volumes as necessary (some of my synth patches are, of course, louder than others).
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>>>>....Just wondering what I could do different or should I do anything at all?...>>>>
Here is an approach that might bear thinking about:
What did the person who writes the check have to say? If she thought everything was wonderful, that you did exactly what she wanted and she would hire you again, try doing nothing. You did what you were hired to do. You earned your fee and everyone is happy.
If YOU are not happy, that's a different story. You don't have to put up with loud, inattentive audiences if you prefer not to. Don't take the next gig.
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Hi Flatfoot,
I would have to agree. Even though there is the "artist" side of me that wants to be heard after all the hard work that goes into the preparation for a performance. But, I confess that I need to shift my gears from artist to employee when accepting a paid performance to where if the employer is happy, then the job was a success.
A couple of questions I ask the employer at our meeting are, "What are your expectations?" And, "What compliments would you like your guests to say upon leaving?"
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I know I'm kind of late in this thread, but it's been a while since I've visited the PG Music Forums, and I'm playing "catchup". (as opposed to mustard)
Lots of good thoughts here... Since I'll be playing my first solo BB gig this weekend, I can't say from experience how to cope with the problem of a too-loud audience, for a soloist with BB accompaniment. But with bands I've been in over the years, this didn't seem to be much of a problem, because most of the time we used floor wedges or in-ears to monitor. For my setup, I'm just going to be using two speakers on stands. My strategy at this point is to have the speakers slightly behind me and to the sides, so that my mains are also my monitors. In my live test setups, feedback has not been any problem, even at moderately loud levels. Even though I'm not in the optimal spot to hear the speakers (outside the full-frequency dispersion pattern), I can still hear plenty of P.A. sound and my own playing. Well, since I'm playing flute & clarinet, hearing myself play is not a problem, but I'm saying that hearing the BB accompaniment through the P.A. is not a problem, either. I'm using cardioid and supercardioid mics, and close-miking the instruments, so I don't think I'll have a feedback problem.
And, since I'm billing myself as background music, I'm not concerned about my audiences "not paying attention" - there is no "show" per se. I'm just providing a sonic background tapestry, and like we used to say in the Army Bands when we would play dinner music at the Officer's Club, I'm playing "music to be ignored by". If the audience were to get really loud, so loud that I can't hear the speakers enough to stay in time with the music, I might crank up the volume a little, but I'm not going to get into a volume war with them. I'll just unmute the Melody track in BB and let the Band play for a while. And mime playing a la Milli Vanilli so that people think I'm actually playing. :-)
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Ignore the audience - play your best.
If it works great for you and the whole sound check works, then just do it! Those who are interested will notice. Those who aren't - ain't nothing you can do about them anyway
HTH
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I've been using a Fishman Solo Amp for my performances. I place it to my side and a bit behind me. It's pretty feedback resistant. Great carry-in and setup time, and it sounds great, too. Not a ton of thump (you'd need the Bose L1 plus sub for that), but it really gets the job done for me. I almost never miss a count-in as I'm hearing what the audience hears.
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Hey Mike -
Just listened to the samples on your web site. Nice stuff!
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I have the Yamaha StagePAS 300 . It is a great little PA system for anything from solo work to small bands. It does not feedback at all. I use my own for DJ shows, karaoke shows and personal performances. I have also used it outdoors with combos and a small band (5 musicians). The speakers are even shaped so that they can be used as on-stage monitors, placed on the floor and angled up at the performers, if necessary. The mixer has two ouptuts so you can use it with a larger system where needed (keep the StagePAS speakers on stage as monitors and plug the other output into the house PA system or other speakers). It is also very portable. Check it out  Of course, if you already have a PA system and just need a single on-stage monitor, I can recommend the Yamaha MSR100 
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Awhile back we had a little folk group. My wife was lead and the guitarist was harmony, I was sound guy. We did some local coffee shops and book stores and very few people ever took the time to pay any attention to what we were doing. I think we could have played the menu from a Chinese takeout and had the same effect. Got to have a thick skin.
One night we had the tip jar out with a couple of dollars seed money in it and had several fellows looking real hard at those dollars. Some nights it's chicken, other nights just feathers. Wyndham
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Nice story 
Follow That Dream Sam Karaoke King -------------------- Turning that corner again - I have to keep following that dream, no matter what
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Doug, That's good advice you hit the nail right on the head. I've been doing the one man band thing for about 10 years now. The first thing you must do is consider the typ of gig you are doing. If someone hires one person they probably don't want you to be that loud anyway. Pick a volume and stay there. The people who want to hear it will be close. The people who want to talk will move away. Everyone has given some good input with hotspots and earbuds. I don't sing so it's easy for me just to put a speaker right behind me so I can hear it doesn't need to be loud enough to lose hearing. Just loud enough to follow what's going one. Remember, the only one you need to impress is the one paying you. If you do that, you will impress others.
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Hey welcome to the forum Jakob. I am listening to some of your music as I type this entry, very nice playing indeed.
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My advice about loud parites - have more of them!
I have the Stagepass 300 also, Love it. You do have to buy special brackets though if you want to put the speakers on stands.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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My old Kustom PA had larger hole in it than the stands did, So i cut some PVC pipe and slipped it over the ends on the stands and then neatly wrapped a couple layers of Black Electrical tape and it has fit snuggly for the last 7 years. Amazing what a nice sound you can get if you just spend the time to setup the songs properlyI noticed that the overall sound quality of my music jumped when I went to the roland TTS from VSC. There is just a better sound and more options to adjust.
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I always thought Kustom stuff was an excellent value.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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If you have a small MP3/FM reciever (Ipod or the like) Go buy the accessory FM transmitter for it, the reverse it. Plug the headphone out of the mixer to the line in on the transmitter, tune your Ipod to that station and plug the ear buds in. WaaLaa instant ear monitor system. Cheap but not to bad.
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If you have a small MP3/FM reciever (Ipod or the like) Go buy the accessory FM transmitter for it, the reverse it. Plug the headphone out of the mixer to the line in on the transmitter, tune your Ipod to that station and plug the ear buds in. WaaLaa instant ear monitor system. Cheap but not to bad.
I think I have what is needed to do the ear monitor but I can't figure it out.
I have the ipod, I have a FM transmitter that plugs into the earphone jack to play my ipod through a tuner.
What I can't figure out is where the "line in" is on the transmitter. It only has a mini plug
to plug into the earphone jack of the ipod.
Any transmitter part brands or part numbers?
Thanks,
Ernie
Songs on your site are nice.
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If you have a small MP3/FM reliever
Plug the headphone out of the mixer to the line in on the transmitter,
instead of plugging the transmitter into the ipod buy whatever adaptors you need to Connect the transmitter to your sound source
the presumption is that the mp3 player you have has a built in fm radio receiver which you then tune to the transmitter and into which plug your headset
the new ipod nano w/fm tuner could be used for this
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Another way to deal with loud parties is to throw a bit of karaoke into the evening - they then discover for themselves how hard it is to hear and be heard. Makes them realise your stuation...
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