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#209400 - 07/12/13 08:09 PM [User Showcase] My Little Man (demo)
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Gilley Offline
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The instrumental tracks were all generated by BIAB (2013 Mac audiophile version), added nothing else, except the melody in the break and here and there. The intro is a BIAB swing style, JAZMDHQ, with the rest of the song a bossa using B140_TB. Also used BIAB to generate the alto sax track used in the intro, the instrumental break and the ending -- found it when listening to FLK_OSX. The BIAB real tracks were imported into Logic Pro, where the vocals were recorded along with the melody line, a midi track that uses one of Logic’s included acoustic guitar sounds. The plug-ins are the standard stuff that comes with Logic for compression, reverb, etc.

All comments/suggestions appreciated.


Edited by Andrew - PG Music (08/24/20 07:54 PM)

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#209402 - 07/12/13 08:33 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Hi Gilley,

Firstly, welcome to the User Showcase forum.

I have to say that the overall sound you have put together is brilliant. You've got a great voice and it is clearly obvious that you are a very talented musician. That being said, I found the lyrics way too confronting to listen to the entire song. In my country, the scenario you glamorize results in people being sent to jail for very serious crimes against children. I cannot agree with nor support the views your lyrics express. Quite honestly, I found myself wondering why you would want to write lyrics of this nature when the world is full of billions of other possibilities that could better showcase your musical abilities.

In summary: Musically, from what I heard of this song, it has every right to be posted here. It's excellent. Lyrically, I don't think that PG Music's forums are the place for this song. These are essentially family forums. That's just my view, though. Ultimately, PG Music will make the decision.

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#209403 - 07/12/13 09:26 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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I kept reading/listening for the story to take me to a young boy's infatuation/crush on his teacher (I've been there) but it never turned out like this. I kept waiting for her to set him straight and show him the error in his ways, but it never came.

Is this Chris Hanson? :>

Musically this was pretty good.

PS: Welcome to the forum.

Take care,


Edited by Danny C. (07/12/13 09:28 PM)
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#209405 - 07/12/13 10:37 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Songs about pedophilia now?

Great.

Two thumbs down.

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#209426 - 07/13/13 09:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Hi Gilley

Welcome to the Forum.

Personally I thought the song was very good. I didn't specifically find the lyrics overly confronting, but were they suggestive and interesting? Yes.

We need to remember it's only a song.

It reminded me of Bobby Goldsboro's hit "Summer (The First Time)" circa 1976. I didn't hear too many complaints about that song, it got excellent air-play, and your theme is quite similar.

I guess in these forums everyone is absolutely entitled to their view, and that's what makes the forums fair and balanced. Keep up the good work. Nice arrangement in my view, great melody and interesting phrasing in places.


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#209437 - 07/13/13 11:15 AM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Noel96]
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Thanks for the feedback, Noel. I understand your discomfort and mainly, I agree with you: the adult in this song is manipulative and predatory, and at least on one level, her seduction constitutes child abuse. Like most predators, she's pretty good at selecting a victim, a kid who has no one else to rely on ("I'll be your teacher and your sister and your lover and your mother") and is as lonely and disconnected as she is ("I need a friend, don't you?"). The intention was not to glamorize any of this, and actually, I don't she comes off nearly as well as, say, Deborah Kerr's character in "Tea and Sympathy" (although the boy in that scenario was 17, not 15). The intent was to suggest that the person telling the tale is more troubled by the events than he realizes or admits ("I don't know why, I always sigh, each time I think of her name -- nothing was ever the same."). The adult does pay a price for her behavior -- she has to leave immediately, and wonders if she was "out of her mind." I realize the song and the events described may be open to interpretation, and though that was intentional, I'm not at all certain the song succeeds. I'm sorry if you were offended. But thanks for your comments, and for giving it a listen.

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#209444 - 07/13/13 12:35 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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"...at least on one level, her seduction constitutes child abuse..."


No, her seduction does constitute a form of child abuse, namely; pedophilia.


“...The intent was to suggest that the person telling the tale is more troubled by the events than he realizes or admits ...”


That's deep. Really deep.


“...I realize the song and the events described may be open to interpretation ...”


I don't see how this “song” could be 'interpreted' as anything other than a paean to pedophilia. Dressing it up in pseudo intellectual verbiage does not reduce it's vile nature.

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#209495 - 07/13/13 10:11 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Gilley,

I do thank you for posting the lyrics so those like me who don't want to listen to that kind of story much less the cursing in it weren't blindsided.

Maybe I'll hear your next one.

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#209497 - 07/13/13 11:30 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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I'm no puritan by any means, but man! my jaw drop to the ground when i read this lyrics.

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#209498 - 07/13/13 11:57 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Deep song, and the subject matter evokes polarised reactions, which in my view can only serve to drive peodophilia even deeper underground making it even harder to eradicate.

And in the case of this tune, it is about a 15 year old, not a pre-pubescent!!! Sheesh it was not all that long ago (relatively speaking) men and women got married at 15/16!! And in some countries they still do!

It is such a grey area anyway at that age bracket. I mean out here the legal age of consent is 16. So if a teen is 15 years and 364 days old and gets involved with an 18 year old, then the 18 year old could be charged with peodiphilia, however wait one more day and they don't...

I am NOT in any way shape or form condoning genuine peodiphilia, but at 15/16...I do tend to think it gets a bit blurry. I suspect that the protests would cease if the teacher were 37 and the youth 19/20...I mean who sets all these numbers anyway?

Human relationships after a certain age (and I am no expert, I have no set idea - 16 as I said out here, 18 or perhaps 21??? ) are truly unique and no one set of rules can really govern everyone. Before this age though and I am all for the strictest regulation possible!

The song IS confronting and I suspect is designed that way. It is a subject that should be debated, and not allowed to go even deeper underground.

Maybe that's a radical view, but as distasteful as it is, it DOES need honest and open public debate.

Just my 2 cents.





Edited by joden (07/14/13 12:40 AM)

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#209499 - 07/14/13 12:32 AM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Maybe that's a radical view, and won't sit too well with the "Christians" or the more puritanical, but as distasteful as it is, it DOES need honest and open public debate.


@Dennis

On your 2 cents, you could've just said -
maybe that's a radical view, but as distasteful as it is, it DOES need honest and open public debate.

I really don't understand dragging anyone's religion into this. You really don't need to do that to make your point.

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#209501 - 07/14/13 12:40 AM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Actually Josie - 100% correct. Good call.

My bad and apologies to all. I will amend it immediately. I think I just got carried away with the "mood"

Dennis

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#209556 - 07/14/13 02:38 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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"As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).[1][2][3][4] An adolescent who is 16 years of age or older must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.[1][2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

A 15 year old male is not 'prepubescent' .. well not normally anyway.

For the record, I have teen age children (and beyond). If someone attempted something while they were 11 or 13 it is a HUGE difference from 15-16.
I believe in this state 16 yr old's can get married.

And yes, it may appear sexist, but my opinion of a 16 yr old male/30 yr old female relationship is different from a 30 yr old male/16 yr old female relationship.
Probably because I have daughters.
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#209573 - 07/14/13 04:59 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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“...you’re fifteen, I’m 32 ...”




“If someone attempted something while they were 11 or 13 it is a HUGE difference from 15-16.”


So, you're OK with your child's 32 year old teacher having a 'relationship' with your 15 year old child? How open minded of you.


“...A 15 year old male is not 'prepubescent' …:


A 15 year old male or female is a child. Legally and mentally. Our duty as adults is to protect children, not acquiesce to their molestation.

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#209578 - 07/14/13 05:40 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: 90 dB]
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Originally Posted By: 90 dB

A 15 year old male or female is a child. Legally and mentally. Our duty as adults is to protect children, not acquiesce to their molestation.


Right so they are a child at 15 years and 364 days, but at 15 years and 365 days they are automatically NOT a child???

Nah sorry but I think you have it wrong...I know several 15, 16 and 17 year olds (male and female) who are more "adult" and mature than other folks I know in their forties and fifties.

It is VERY individual, relative and subjective issue at that age group. Maybe your definition of pre-pubescent is different to the generally accepted age of around 11/12?

As I wrote earlier, genuine child molestation and paedophilia is abhorrent in the extreme, but I do not think the song has anything to do with genuine paedophilia, and I do think you are being overly critical of the intent and subject matter. Perhaps I am wrong and what you are suggesting IS the writers intent?

Only they can say.

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#209579 - 07/14/13 05:44 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Lyrically, the song reminded me of "Maggie May" ("Wake up, Maggie I think I got something to say to you/It's late September and I really should be back at school"), a number-one single preceded on the UK charts by Donny Osmond's cover of Go Away Little Girl ("I know that your lips are sweet/But our lips must never meet"), and followed by Cher's "Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves" ("I was sixteen, he was twenty-one/Rode with us to Memphis/And Papa would'a shot him/if he knew what he'd done").

What a difference 40 years makes.

There is a difference between writing about something and advocating it, right? confused
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#209580 - 07/14/13 05:44 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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Musically outstanding, very well constructed, your vocal is superb. Lyric material not my cup of tea, so only the one listen. Welcome to the forum!
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#209584 - 07/14/13 06:04 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: joden]
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Originally Posted By: 90 dB

A 15 year old male or female is a child. Legally and mentally. Our duty as adults is to protect children, not acquiesce to their molestation.


Right so they are a child at 15 years and 364 days, but at 15 years and 365 days they are automatically NOT a child???

Nah sorry but I think you have it wrong...I know several 15, 16 and 17 year olds (male and female) who are more "adult" and mature than other folks I know in their forties and fifties.

It is VERY individual, relative and subjective issue at that age group. Maybe your definition of pre-pubescent is different to the generally accepted age of around 11/12?

As I wrote earlier, genuine child molestation and paedophilia is abhorrent in the extreme, but I do not think the song has anything to do with genuine paedophilia, and I do think you are being overly critical of the intent and subject matter. Perhaps I am wrong and what you are suggesting IS the writers intent?

Only they can say.







“Right so they are a child at 15 years and 364 days, but at 15 years and 365 days they are automatically NOT a child???”


Yes. Precisely. Why have any limits? If 15 is OK with you, why not 14? 13? 12? After all they are just arbitrary limits, right?


“Nah sorry but I think you have it wrong...I know several 15, 16 and 17 year olds (male and female) who are more "adult" and mature than other folks I know in their forties and fifties.”


Legally, they are still children.



“It is VERYindividual, relative and subjective issue at that age group. Maybe your definition of pre-pubescent is different to the generally accepted age of around 11/12?


Ah. It's all relative. I see.


“I do think you are being overly critical of the intent and subject matter.”


I really don't care what you think. I find the subject matter reprehensible, and your defense of it disgusting.

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#209586 - 07/14/13 06:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: Gilley]
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“There is a difference between writing about something and advocating it, right?”


Quite right.


“she said, baby you’re so pretty
she said, I need a friend, don’t you
let me teach you how to kiss
not like that baby, more like this
no that’s no good
I'll teach you so good
isn’t it grand?
now you’re my little man...”



In retrospect, you may be right. The author is clearly not advocating or glamourizing the abuse of a minor, right? One of us has a serious reading comprehension problem.

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#209587 - 07/14/13 06:17 PM [User Showcase] Re: My Little Man (demo) [Re: 90 dB]
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I really don't care what you think. I find the subject matter reprehensible, and your defense of it disgusting.



And yet you waste time and space reacting to comments. If you don't care what others think then why not just walk away. You cast rather nasty inferences and a wide net. Surely you must expect others to call you out on it?

I was not defending anything, merely saying your reaction is a gross over-reaction as I am sure the writers intent was not what you are insinuating.

Are you so arrogant that you cannot even contemplate for a moment, that your "opinion" may actually be wrong regarding this song?


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