I had a similiar post here regarding ties from a few weeks ago, but I accidently deleted it tonight when I was posting another reply. So, this is basically what I am asking.
Still having difficulties with ties. Just so I am on the same page with you, I know what a tie is and know what its function is. What I dont know is how does biab let you enter in a tie (in the staff roll mode in the notation window)? There are areas of notation in my existing sheet music where there are ties. But when entering the existing sheet music into biab, it doesnt let me put one in and it wont put one in automatically either. Im stumped!
Does BIAB call it something different than a tie? I cannot find the word"tie" in the help section of biab either.
In this attachment, I drew in a tie in red where a tie needs to go, Thanks for the help in advance, Shannon
I had a similiar post here regarding ties from a few weeks ago, but I accidently deleted it tonight when I was posting another reply. So, this is basically what I am asking.
Still having difficulties with ties. Just so I am on the same page with you, I know what a tie is and know what its function is. What I dont know is how does biab let you enter in a tie (in the staff roll mode in the notation window)? There are areas of notation in my existing sheet music where there are ties. But when entering the existing sheet music into biab, it doesnt let me put one in and it wont put one in automatically either. Im stumped!
Does BIAB call it something different than a tie? I cannot find the word"tie" in the help section of biab either.
In this attachment, I drew in a tie in red where a tie needs to go, Thanks for the help in advance, Shannon
Hi Shannon You mean a 'tie' like in the first attachment?
BiaB doesn't let you enter ties, just notes or rests. It works out the missing bits. To recreate this, just enter the notes or rest. Follow the steps below. Tip: It's easier if you always work forward, not backwards as you enter data.
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In Videotrack's great screenshots, you get to that final dialog box (where you can tweak a note such as changing the duration to 4) by right-clicking on the beginning of the note in the Notation window.
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In Videotrack's great screenshots, you get to that final dialog box (where you can tweak a note such as changing the duration to 4) by right-clicking on the beginning of the note in the Notation window.
Thanks for the clarification on that point Matt. Yes, I should have mentioned that important point of how to get to that screen.
Cheers Trevor
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Thanks for the info. I understood the 1st screen shot. Then the 2nd screen shot and all the screen shot after that, didnt make sense regarding the 2nd measure.I understood the screenshot of the dialog box, but all in all, your demo didnt work unfortunately. The 1st and 2nd measure turned out fine (as typical) but it did not create a tie as indicated in your demo.
I know ties are importtant because if the tie isnt there when needed, then that measure doesnt sound right and it throws off the song. As you know, a tie is 2 notes that are strung together creating 1 long note so I cant understand why biab didnt create that feature and ability to do so, i.e. make a tie between 2 notes. I would think it would be an obvious feature.
So, is there another way to explain how to use a tie in biab? Would be most appreciative.
I believe VideoTrack has correctly explained this, particularly the point about entering the notes working left to right. I don't see how you could not get a tie. You said your first two bars are OK, but that would mean you have a tie.
In BIAB, you don't enter two notes and then tie them. Instead, you enter one note and either let BIAB set the duration, or manually go in like the last dialog box and adjust the duration. If the note is long enough to carry into the next bar, BIAB automatically creates the tie.
If that doesn't work for you, please give a description of the exact steps you are following, what you expected to happen, and what actually happened.
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Hi Matt, I can make an example of what I am doing.
Using the same example as above, starting at the 1st measure (all notes on D),
1.) I enter G6 as the 1st chord. 2.) Then, I go into the notation window and select staff roll mode. 3.) I input a half note (first 2 beats) 4.) I input a dotted quarter note (a beat and a half) 5.) I input a eight note (as the remainder of the 1st measure) 6.) 2nd measure, one whole note placed of the first beat equaling 4 beats.
....and no tie. Alternative, I recreated the same notes on a new screen and the last, I went into the dialog box and changed the duration/beat/ticks area and changed it to 4. I even increased and decreased the ticks...and nothing....no tie. Im not sure what to do now.
Finally, a tie!!!! I think the trick is that I have to enter a few measures after, from where the tie is supposed to placed and then it will automatically put a tie in. Note to self.
Thank you for your help, time and affort! Much appreciated!
Hi Matt, I can make an example of what I am doing.
Using the same example as above, starting at the 1st measure (all notes on D),
1.) I enter G6 as the 1st chord. 2.) Then, I go into the notation window and select staff roll mode. 3.) I input a half note (first 2 beats) 4.) I input a dotted quarter note (a beat and a half) 5.) I input a eight note (as the remainder of the 1st measure) 6.) 2nd measure, one whole note placed of the first beat equaling 4 beats.
....and no tie. Alternative, I recreated the same notes on a new screen and the last, I went into the dialog box and changed the duration/beat/ticks area and changed it to 4. I even increased and decreased the ticks...and nothing....no tie. Im not sure what to do now.
Hi Shannon Great to know that you got it working, but I am a little confused with some of your statements, viz (emphasis supplied):
3.) I input a half note (first 2 beats) 4.) I input a dotted quarter note (a beat and a half) 5.) I input a eight note (as the remainder of the 1st measure)
What did you do to enter a 3) 'Half note', 4) 'dotted quarter note' and 5)final 'eighth note'?
Or did you just enter notes in the correct positions, and the note "lengths" were supplied by BiaB?
Normally when entering notes with a mouse click on the Stave, BiaB works out the lengths, not the user. In my samples above, you see that inserted note lengths are calculated by BiaB, until a later note causes an earlier note to be 'shortened'
Matt's tip is good: it's easier to work from Left to Right Don't worry about note lengths (at least initially)
Look forward to your feedback
Kind regards
Trevor
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Thanks for the info. I understood the 1st screen shot. Then the 2nd screen shot and all the screen shot after that, didnt make sense regarding the 2nd measure.I understood the screenshot of the dialog box, but all in all, your demo didnt work unfortunately. The 1st and 2nd measure turned out fine (as typical) but it did not create a tie as indicated in your demo. ... So, is there another way to explain how to use a tie in biab? Would be most appreciative.
Thanks so much, Shannon
Answer: The first screen shot was the expected final result. Note the text states: "You mean a 'tie' like in the first attachment?"
The other screen shots showed the procedure to follow to get to that result.
Hope this clarifies.
Last edited by VideoTrack; 02/24/1403:39 AM. Reason: clarified statements
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I reread your 2nd paragrapph in your last post and I understand the concept. So in otherwards Im not just to assume that I will be entering the note in the 2nd measure manually (mouse click in biab), instead biab will automatically enter it for me? Is it that biab see what notes you are entering and determines the song based upon the melody line? If its THAT intuitive, eh?
Actually, I still am having trouble with the ties. I finish up and succeeded with the 1st measure with a tie, but further measures where there is supposed to be ties, biab is giving me fits again (and with your instruction in mind too).
Please understand that I am undergoing a learning curve with biab with so much to learn. Im one that is used to putting down notes on sheet music paper.
I've used written notation on staff paper for 50+ years myself. Yes, I do understand how this is confusing to someone learning BIAB. But hang in there.
Here's the thing about your example: you never enter a note in measure 2.
Try this experiment: just use your mouse in the Editable Notation mode and start clicking notes, working from left to right. If you skip a few bars, notice how BIAB assumes you meant a whole note in the prior note. If you do not skip a few bars but instead click soon after a note that is already entered, notice how BIAB creates the new note but also creates the length of the preceding note to make sure it doesn't overlap onto the note you just entered. Specifically to the point at issue, if the note BIAB creates spans a bar, it automatically creates the tie.
And if you don't like whatever it did, you right-click on the note and adjust it manually in the dialog box where it shows the starting point and duration (and volume) of the note. Sometimes you may also wish to check the checkbox for Rest instead of Note, and enter a rest in a specific place (which may remove a tie if there had been one; this depends on whether the prior note spans over a bar line).
Assuming you are using a mouse and not a keyboard to play the notes, this system of note entry is far better than any other I've used in any other music software. And I've used a lot and been paid to do so.
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I've used written notation on staff paper for 50+ years myself. Yes, I do understand how this is confusing to someone learning BIAB. But hang in there.
Here's the thing about your example: you never enter a note in measure 2.
As Matt (and I) have correctly pointed out, if you want to tie a note to lengthen it, you cannot place a note in the position where it should continue to be playing. It has to be placed in the position where it must start playing. Matt's emphasized text (above) is the key point.
Review my last screen capture that shows where I placed the final note in the bar, and compare to where you placed the final note. The mouse cursor shows exactly where I placed the final (3rd) note. Music plays forward from that point. You entered 4 notes - when you only want 3 notes to play.
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Hi Matt, I can make an example of what I am doing.
Using the same example as above, starting at the 1st measure (all notes on D),
1.) I enter G6 as the 1st chord. 2.) Then, I go into the notation window and select staff roll mode. 3.) I input a half note (first 2 beats) 4.) I input a dotted quarter note (a beat and a half) 5.) I input a eight note (as the remainder of the 1st measure) 6.) 2nd measure, one whole note placed of the first beat equaling 4 beats.
....and no tie. Alternative, I recreated the same notes on a new screen and the last, I went into the dialog box and changed the duration/beat/ticks area and changed it to 4. I even increased and decreased the ticks...and nothing....no tie. Im not sure what to do now.
Hi Shannon Great to know that you got it working, but I am a little confused with some of your statements, viz (emphasis supplied):
3.) I input a half note (first 2 beats) 4.) I input a dotted quarter note (a beat and a half) 5.) I input a eight note (as the remainder of the 1st measure)
What did you do to enter a 3) 'Half note', 4) 'dotted quarter note' and 5)final 'eighth note'?
Or did you just enter notes in the correct positions, and the note "lengths" were supplied by BiaB?
Normally when entering notes with a mouse click on the Stave, BiaB works out the lengths, not the user. In my samples above, you see that inserted note lengths are calculated by BiaB, until a later note causes an earlier note to be 'shortened'
Matt's tip is good: it's easier to work from Left to Right Don't worry about note lengths (at least initially)
Look forward to your feedback
Kind regards
Trevor
Hi Trevor,
With the mouse clicks, I enter the notes in their correct positions. Actually,when I go to the dialog box, that's where I get lost. In the "duration: beats/ticks" area, let's say, if I see a "4", I know that means that's a 4th beat,but the "tick" box, thats where I get lost. I would think it would mean that if I increased the number, that that 4th beat would be closer to the next beat. To decrease, would mean that the further away from the next beat....but im not sure thats the case. Hope that makes sense to you, Trevor.
In the dialog box that you get when you right-click on a note, the Duration is measured in beats then ticks. What you need to know is that BIAB uses 120 ticks per beat.
So, if you wanted a quarter note, this Duration would appear as 0 beats, 90 or so ticks. Using a value of 80 to 100 will sound the note almost a beat worth, but also give a space (rest) afterward so that it would not run into another quarter note starting on the next beat.
If you wanted a half note, it would be 1 beat 90 or so ticks (which sounds almost two beats).
To get your final note in your example at the beginning of this thread, which is an eighth note on the and of beat four tied to a whole note in the next measure, this would appear as 4 beats and maybe 90 or so ticks (VideoTrack's illustration shows 100, which works).
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Thanks Matt, for the clarification on the ticks. I'll have to take some time in the next few days to understand all of this and experiment with it. I'll get back to you if I have any further questions. Thanks for your help!
Entering note is going alot smoother now that you both have given me your tips. I am still having a couple of bars. I went in and change some things around regarding the duration among other tips and still cant it to work with me here.
Here are 2 screen shots.
One is in staff roll mode to demostrate the problem area and then I have another screen shot of the same problem area in editable mode. In black on bar 7, this is what I want to happen. Im hoping its something Im overlooking... Also, I ve kept in mind that I never enter note in 2nd measure. Bar 6, I didnt enter anything, I wanted a whole note and I got it, but bar 7 didnt turn out as I hoped.
1. Erase the note in measure 8. Right-click on it and select Delete Note.
2. I can't tell the length of the blue line from the last note in measure 5. If step one didn't fix it, go back and right-click on the note on beat 4 of measure 5. In the dialog box, make sure Duration, Beats is set to 11.
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What I dont know is how does biab let you enter in a tie (in the staff roll mode in the notation window)? There are areas of notation in my existing sheet music where there are ties. But when entering the existing sheet music into biab, it doesnt let me put one in and it wont put one in automatically either. Im stumped!
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