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#244970 - 03/22/14 10:34 AM [User Showcase] Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones)
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BIAB styles:....CHAMBER1, ARPORK44 (Classical)

RealTracks:.....BASSES 1825, 1827 (Pop Modern Groove)

RealDrums:.....BOSSALEWIS^01

Performers:....Martin Jones (lead vocal)
.......................Aleck Rand (arrangement, production, rhythm and .......................lead guitars)
.......................Lance and the Dark (backup vocal harmonies)

See additional SoundCloud notes about this 70's blockbuster. Martin and I hope that you enjoy it.

WILDFLOWER
https://soundcloud.com/aleckrand/wildflower-in-collaboration
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#245042 - 03/22/14 11:05 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Very well done, Thanks for sharing!
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#245103 - 03/23/14 03:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Hi, Dean and Martin !:))


I liked this tune as well
as the performance !
Congrats on a superb collab !:))


Cheers
Dani

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#245160 - 03/24/14 09:19 AM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: dani48]
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Hi Dani, my friend,

Thank you for such a wonderful compliment. No doubt about it, it's a great tune. I'm hoping we at least matched, as a total performance, the definitive version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9bJJNUdXEs although the lead singer, Donny Gerrard, can't be topped. That dude can sang, bubba!

One thing we couldn't handle was the key, originally Eb. Gerrard has a big but sweet top end and neither Martin nor I can get up there, let alone with the expressive power that Gerrard has. So we took it down to D. But, I think Martin did as good a job as anyone could, including the O'Jays who also did a version.

Dean

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#245163 - 03/24/14 09:23 AM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Thanks so much PGF.
Originally Posted By: aleck rand
I'm hoping we at least matched, as a total performance, the definitive version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9bJJNUdXEs
Dean

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#245182 - 03/24/14 12:21 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Hi Dean,

great playing and beautiful voice.
I like the harmonies.
But I'm sorry to say: you spoilt it with the mix.
It's like a four track production from the
early 60s where you find the drums on the right and the
organ on the left. And the vocals seem to be recorded
in a bathroom. Just IMHO.
This is a good mix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtivKC-7-Oc

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#245455 - 03/26/14 11:26 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: boehm]
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Hi Guenter,

I count you, along with Floyd, Noel96, MarioD and others, as one of my most perceptive and constructive critics. I agree with you, but I am not as skilled at mixing as you are. I listened to the track you suggested and it is certainly at one or two levels of professionalism higher than what Martin and I did. The sound is so pure, accurate and clear. The question is: How to get there?

More than ever, I'm convinced that the performers, arrangers, players, etc. should not be doing the mixing but, rather, a third independent party who really knows his/her stuff in this specialized area.

Thank you for these insights.

Dean

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#245512 - 03/27/14 12:41 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Dean,

Some very tasty guitar in there. Guenter already hit on the drum placement (they need to be centered) and the guitar would be good slide over some (to the right). Martin did a fine job singing. Lance and the boys did some fine harmonies... a beautiful song, of course...

floyd

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#245514 - 03/27/14 01:12 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: floyd jane]
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Hey Floyd,

Thanks so much; I was hoping you'd chime in with some concrete suggestions - I'm messing around with it now and will implement your recommendations on pan settings. I know that part of the problem is the rendering into SoundCloud. Something did not go right and the fidelity isn't there. I'm checking alternatives.

Dean

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#245551 - 03/27/14 05:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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I love the song but as already been mentioned its not a great mix..I would certainly have a redo Im sure with all the input it will improve... the song is worth it Frankie
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#245567 - 03/27/14 07:06 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: tributeman]
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Hey Frankie - thanks for backing up the previous opinions. It's been done. It's better ... I hope. If you can, let me know.

Dean Clark (aka Aleck Rand)

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#245568 - 03/27/14 07:14 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Following the recommendations of Forum members - now with Mike (aka CubanPete) joining the list of most preceptive and helpful critics - yet a new mix of Wildflower is available by clicking on the link above, or below. This tries to take some of the reverb off Martin's voice.

The constructive advice has been invaluable. Thank you all, even if I'm never able to haul this fish in.
Originally Posted By: aleck rand
BIAB styles:....CHAMBER1, ARPORK44 (Classical)

RealTracks:.....BASSES 1825, 1827 (Pop Modern Groove)

RealDrums:.....BOSSALEWIS^01

Performers:....Martin Jones (lead vocal)
.......................Aleck Rand (arrangement, production, rhythm and .......................lead guitars)
.......................Lance and the Dark (backup vocal harmonies)

See additional SoundCloud notes about this 70's blockbuster. Martin and I hope that you enjoy it.

WILDFLOWER
https://soundcloud.com/aleckrand/wildflower-in-collaboration


Edited by aleck rand (03/28/14 05:52 PM)
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#245577 - 03/27/14 09:16 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Hi Dean, when it comes to one of your productions one can help it but listen to it. And as with most of them this one is no disappointment, but I have to agree that the voice maybe has a little too much reverb in it, and the drums as well IMHO. Overall a very enjoyable piece.

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#245592 - 03/28/14 04:20 AM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Hi Dean,

This is such a great song and I really like the feeling you've created in the arrangement. You're an awesome musician! I also have to say that Martin's singing rings with sincerity and overflows with competence (as do your guitars!). "Top notch" is a worthy and applicable phrase to use.

Lastly, I like the effect you created with the reverb/delay on the vocals. It made me think of a sultry outdoor setting in the tropics smile As I listened, though, I found myself pondering what Mike (above) wrote and I wondered how the song would sound with the vocals made less wet than they presently are. I simply pass that on for what it's worth.

As always, I leave you song feeling inspired with ideas. Thank you.

All the best,
Noel
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#245684 - 03/28/14 05:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: cubanpete]
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Mike,

You're right. I've tried to take off some of the 'verb off Martin's voice. I hope you see this message and can check out the new mix.

Thanks for your help.

Dean

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#245703 - 03/28/14 09:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Love it!! Always loved this song, but never knew who wrote or sang it. Vocalist here does a great job with it!! Love the guitar too!! Keep 'em coming!! Take care. Greg

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#245745 - 03/29/14 12:50 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: Greg Johnson]
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Greg,

I think I FINALLY got Martin Jones' voice out of the closet AND out of the subway, i.e., I think I got the reverb right in this last mix.

I'll tell you, your kind remarks really help after all the brain wracking.

Dean

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#245762 - 03/29/14 03:12 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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Hi Dean...

I've been away from the site for over a week. What a nice way to get back!

I didn't hear the original mix, but this one sounds pretty decent to me. Martin did a fabulous vocal for you and the guitar work is super! This is a terrific song. As always, we never fell disappointed when we click onto one of your songs...always a treat!

You mentioned Soundcloud's rendering. We have an account there but almost never use it. One of the reasons is what you said...the rendering sometim3es gets a little muddled. But, the most significant problem we've had is it's a nightmare to get the songs to play. We can most other folks' songs to play but our don't half the time. We've tinkered with out browser settings, taken the advice of the Soundcloud folks and still have the same problems. We use Soundclick or our own site.

Anyway, we truly enjoyed our listen! Best to ya...

Al & Di
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#245838 - 03/30/14 07:59 AM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: aleck rand]
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I certainly enjoyed it.

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#245873 - 03/30/14 01:32 PM [User Showcase] Re: Wildflower (in collaboration with Martin Jones) [Re: Al-David]
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Thank you folks.

I feel somewhat vindicated in learning that you've had your problems with SoundCloud as well. And I'm glad you mentioned SoundClick, a site I'm not familiar with. It sounds like an alternative.

It's good that you didn't hear the original mixes. It was as though Martin's voice was a moving target - moving between singing in a closet or singing in a train station.

Valuable to know that you find the mix acceptable now.

Dean

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