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Hi All

Who Knows Him Now

Hi Guys. The new version has now been uploaded to soundcloud. Thanks for the input. The following changes were made.
1. Got rid of the extra "Who wants to know him" lines
2. Shortened the verse chord structure and changed the last chord to an Am (the lyrics also fit better now)
3. Added a gritty guitar
(I am very pleased that the song now comes out at 3:26 and some change)
Thanks to all who helped with this.


This is a song that was written by myself and my good friend Cuzzie while she was visiting me in South Africa. It is written for a TV synch opportunity. They want a song about somebody going on an extended bender. It needs to be submitted by tomorrow (Saturday 17th). I would have loved to have recorded Cuzzie on vocals but unfortunately she is busy travelling home and nowhere near her home studio.

Any input on how to improve the song would be much appreciated.

Tracks are
RealTracks in style: ~701:Bass, Electric, PopHalfNotesSync Ev 085
RealTracks in song: 1761:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Pop16ths Ev16 085
RealDrums in Song: NashvilleEven16^1-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, Ride
1764 Electric guitar
And a midi string track

Vocals are all me and BIABettes

Lyrics are on soundcloud

Thanks in anticipation

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Hi, Jo !:))

This was truly a sad song
well written and performed
I do not know how you could
or should improve on this one ?
I think it is pretty ready
as it is !:))

It was you harmonizing in
the background then ? :))
Very nice Jo !!:))

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Hi Dani
Thanks for that. Yes it was all me singing and harmonies are me and the BIABettes. Would like to recruit somebody else to sing backup vocals but unfortunately the time is very short on this one


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Hi Josie,

leave it as it is. A very nice song with great vocals.
The harmonies don't sound like Biabettes.
Very well done.

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Cool tune... Submit it and forget it. Write more.

Short time frames are generally par for the course in TV & Film. Music tends to be the last thing they add.

If it gets cut, let us know. It's kinda long for tv and film....

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Hi Guenter - Thanks for that

Hi Herb - As you say, I think I will just submit it and then forget it. These opportunties are great for getting the creative juices flowing. I wont hold my breath but also don't have anything to loose. Sometimes you get some feedback from the music pro which is always welcome. Btw, I got some great feedback on one opportunity. They said all the instruments were performed and recorded well...they obviously dont get too many BIAB submissions and I'm not saying...It was a ukelele track. On the length I would have thought they just slice and dice it according to their needs?


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Originally Posted By: JosieC

Hi Herb - As you say, I think I will just submit it and then forget it. These opportunties are great for getting the creative juices flowing. I wont hold my breath but also don't have anything to loose. Sometimes you get some feedback from the music pro which is always welcome. Btw, I got some great feedback on one opportunity. They said all the instruments were performed and recorded well...they obviously dont get too many BIAB submissions and I'm not saying...It was a ukelele track. On the length I would have thought they just slice and dice it according to their needs?


I obviously use BB/RB on all my tunes and have never had any complaints about the quality of the music. Matter of fact, I have quite a few tunes that are all BB/RB signed into those libraries..... that's what matters. I'm waiting on a review from another very "high bar" library now on several full songs that I have submitted..... and yup... keep writing in the meantime.


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Josie,

I loved everything about this one but the length, but keep in mind I have a thing about songs going over 3.5 minutes lol.

With this said if I were performing it, I would cut back on the "Who Wants to Know Him" phrases. But this is not my song, (I wish it was lol) and I am not performing it, so my suggestion of course is personal to probably my taste only.

I wish you would play it tomorrow on SJ, my bet is it will be well received.

See you tomorrow.

Later,

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Thanks Danny. I was worried about the length. I think I will cut back on the "Who knows him" lines.

Edited to add: Sure I can do this tomorrow on the Jelly. Looking forward to it. I will set my alarm to finally see your show.

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Josie,

So happy you will do this tomorrow, and bless you for staying up that late tomorrow night. I will be honored to have you in my room.

Later,

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Originally Posted By: Danny C.
Josie,

I loved everything about this one but the length, but keep in mind I have a thing about songs going over 3.5 minutes lol.

With this said if I were performing it, I would cut back on the "Who Wants to Know Him" phrases. But this is not my song, (I wish it was lol) and I am not performing it, so my suggestion of course is personal to probably my taste only.

I wish you would play it tomorrow on SJ, my bet is it will be well received.

See you tomorrow.

Later,


I totally agree with my brother, great song just a tad too long.


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Hi Josie. Enjoyed it all as is but thought the backing was a bit clean for the subject. Would like a bit more gritty or bluesy bar room sound. Cheers.

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Well, we're too late to suggest anything given the date and the hour....but I think you'll be fine with what you have. Hope it works out well for you!!

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Really nice song, poignant and powerful! I would reduce the "who knows him now" on all but the last verse. I also think musically the last line in the verses would sit better on the minor chord...you went from major to major a step up and stepped back down. I would step up again to the minor chord. (F G Am, vs F G F). Just a thought. Good work!! Take care. Greg

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Good luck with it Joanne. You and Cuzzy should write more together. You two obviously click. The sound and harmonies are fine imo. If you ever revisit it, I think you've had some good suggestions here.

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Hi Joanne ...

It's a terrific song ... vocals, lyric, production, instrument selection ...everything.

As far as length, yeah, maybe a bit long. But if it's selected for the opportunity, they can slice and dice it as they please. Rarely is a song used in it's entirety anyway. Hal Ketchum, a popular country singer from a few years back and whom I know very casually, wrote a song for the movie "Everyway But Lose". It's almost three minutes in its entirety. They used only 8 seconds of it and he was paid rather nicely.

Good luck with it. Hope you get selected. It's a super song!

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Hi to everybody who posted on this thread Dani, Guenter, Herb, Danny, Mario, Rich, Bud and Janice, Josie, Greg and Al (did I miss anybody?)

Thanks so much everybody. I still have today to make changes so I am going to try them all out and post a new version later.
You guys are awesome!


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Joanne:

Good luck with your song. Let us know how it turns out.

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Josie, Nice write. The vocals sound really good. It may be a bit long. Overall very nicely done. Keep them coming. Tom

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I haven't listened for awhile, too late for your deadline....

Great song. The melody and the harmonies deliver the message very well. Good tempo. Ya'll should write more songs. Wishing you luck.

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Hi All
Have changed the song and unloaded it to soundcloud. The link at on the original post now points to the final version. Thanks so much for all your help.


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The changes really tightened up the song. Gritty guitar worked great as well! Take care. Greg

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Enjoyed the new version also. Really like this theme. Cheers.

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Hi Greg and Rich

Thanks for giving it another listen. I was pleased with the changes.

I am going to get Cuzzie to do the vocals when she has a chance.


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I guess I am a bit late to the party when it comes to the 17th deadline! Nice vocals and the whole songs hangs together quite well. Very well done. I think the lyrical tale matches the given "longterm bender" criteria.

I finally caught a streetjelly last evening, I've been out of touch there a bit. Of course now that I haven't performed in a while over there, I am back to square zero when it comes to knowing any of my songs well enough to do them live again! Oh well, time to get cracking.

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Joanne,

Guess I'm late, eh? Sorry (I have been really tied up with several songs at the same time). This is a good write. Your productions are very good. You mix drums as well as anyone around - or better. Everything sounds good.
Hope you get picked!

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Kevin - Thanks for dropping by. We definately miss you on the Jelly and look forward to your return shortly!!

Floyd - Thanks. I know you've been busy. cant waiit to hear with what....

Jessi - Thanks for dropping by and commenting.

PS. Edited to add. I havent had any feedback yet but will certainly let you all know (good or bad) when I get it.

Interestingly they told me the tamborines on another track I submitted were "less than perfect"...they were a loop in BIAB.They sounded good to me. I suppose you never know what they hear in a track.


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Hi Josie
Another excellent tune. Heartfelt lyrics. Excellent singing and playing.. Guitar has a neat tone to it...


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Hi Scott
Thanks so much for giving it a listen and commenting.


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I just wanted to say that I have made a video for anybody who is interested. It is here

Who Knows HIm Now on Youtube


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Nice video Joanne, and the song sounds terrific with the changes. You go girl!


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Hello Josie,

We watched the video (we hadn't heard the song before).
Has a very nice 70's like sound, the harmonies sound a little like Carly Simon. That's a compliment ey?

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well written and poignant

much enjoyed!

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Hi Rob, Ann Marie and Lawrence
Thanks for giving it a listen. I appreciate it.

For those that are interested here is the feedback from "Pro".

"As a whole, this song is produced pretty well. The vocals are a little loud compared to the rest of the mix which is very subdued, but for the most part everything can be heard clearly.

The song has very melancholy tone to it, as opposed to the upbeat and party feel of a lot of drinking songs. This may or may not fit depending on the tone of the scene, and it is apparent through most of the song that it's about drinking. "


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