Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#277598 - 01/02/15 01:35 AM [User Showcase] Love's Forgotton Song
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
I've been absent for a while, but I was stuck sick at home today with a copy of BiaB 2015...

What else to do, but write a song? laugh

Love's Forgotten Song
dreams are only for the young
bright sun as the day's begun
like an open road right in front of us
past the ever bright star
here we are

lovers and the closest friends
once gone never coming back again
you held your hand in mine only yesterday
now that memory is all that remains

so we somehow came apart
still you live in my secret heart
holding deep inside the saddest part of me
i can never quite say goodbye, goodbye

words to our forgotten song
once known but now we sing it wrong
now we can't recall that sweet melody
only comes to me now in my dreams

Song info:
Style is _B140GTB.STY (Bossa Brazilian Quartet (140 RS))
~464:Bass, Acoustic, Bossa Ev 140
~470:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Bossa Ev 140
~467:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Bossa Ev 140
704:Flute, Soloist Bossa Ev 140
BossaBrushes: a: Sidestick Brushes b: Sidestick, Ride

I was originally inspired by R & AM's track 2015 but I ended finding a Bossa Nova RealTrack I liked, so went that route instead. The chord progression is auto-generate using the Melodist feature.

I tried auto-generating some melodies, but nothing struck my fancy, so I went into notation mode and clicked and dragged notes until it sounded melodic. No doubt I've accidentally copied something from a distant memory...

I listened to the song in loop mode and started typing words to fit the syllables - not the typical way I work, but it was apparently quite successful for Phil Collins. I was thinking about those subtitled foreign films, where the lyrics are "proper" English, but feel a bit "stiff"... I think I succeeded! wink

I printed out the melody from BiaB, and entered the melody into Vocaloid. I tweaked it in some places to fit the words a bit better, and then exported .wav files.

I exported the backing tracks from BiaB as .wav files as well, and built the mix in Reaper. The flute solo was cut-and-pasted together, and I fiddled with the mix for a while until ennui settled in.

Then I struggled for a while with SoundCloud, until it decided it wanted to play nice again.

As always, any comment is welcome (although given my extended absence, undeserved). The tempo is probably a bit too fast, and the rhythm stilted in places, but hey...
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277678 - 01/02/15 10:37 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 04/01/11
Posts: 1026
Loc: Maryland
SpaceDog Offline
Expert

Registered: 04/01/11
Posts: 1026
Loc: Maryland
Dave,
Very pleasant tune and arrangement. I hope you feel better soon.
SD

Top
#277712 - 01/02/15 11:52 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: SpaceDog]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Thanks, SD!

I'm doing better (just a cold), but now I'm fighting SoundCloud, which has again decided not to play back tracks that BiaB folk have posted. It's gotten irritating enough that I finally sent it a support ticket...

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277715 - 01/02/15 11:58 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
PgFantastic Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
Beautiful song, vocal is superb. thanks for sharing!
_________________________
My Tunes

Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.

Top
#277764 - 01/02/15 02:19 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Thanks, Robert.

It was a bit of a challenge to get Avanna to sing "young". It was correct phonetically (j V N, in case you're curious), but different vowels on the preceding word would make her sing "yahng". There are still some words (like "open") that I could go back and tweak, but I should probably leave it alone now.

By the way, I'm still trying to get SoundCloud to play songs (such as your song Peace), but I'm not having any luck. It seems to be hit or miss what SoundCloud is going to play.

I've tried 3 different web browsers and a Chromebook, with no luck on any of them. I got an auto-response from SoundCloud to the effect of "check your browser and make sure you're up to date", which isn't the issue. Since I have similar issues from my work environment, I suspect it's a geographic issue. In any event, I hope they get this resolved soon!

Thanks again!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277767 - 01/02/15 02:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 10744
Loc: GA USA
Janice & Bud Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 10744
Loc: GA USA
David, that first verse grabbed us
immediately. Great lyric! How you
folks are able to do such impressive
work with the vocaloid never ceases
to amaze.

The comped flute track works really
well.

It all worked for us. Nice!!

J&B
_________________________
J&B Soundcloud
J&B YouTube
J&B Website

Top
#277783 - 01/02/15 04:00 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Janice & Bud]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Hi, Janice and Bud.

I'm glad you liked it. The Vocaloid software does most of the work, it's just a matter of convincing the program to sing the words the right way!

Sometimes that turns out to be much harder than it should. I hear there's a new English singing Vocaloid in the works that has an American provider, but from what I've heard, the vocal has a much harder edge than what I'm looking for.

Of course, it's nothing like the vocals on your tracks, but it's a lot better than nothing at all! You two keep blowing me away with your bluesy songs.

Thanks!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277784 - 01/02/15 04:18 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 6327
Loc: Davis, CA
Greg Johnson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 6327
Loc: Davis, CA
You write such pretty songs with some great lyrics! I feel you should get a live vocalist to really show them off. Flute solo works beautifully as do the instrument tracks. Cool song!! Take care. Greg

Top
#277790 - 01/02/15 04:42 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2873
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
boehm Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2873
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
Hi David,

nice tune and arrangement. I especially like the repeated parts.
I know about the pronunciation problems of Avanna.
The flute is a hit.
Wish you get along with your own synthetic singer.

Guenter
_________________________
http://www.21d.de/
Latest Song: What You Desire

Top
#277812 - 01/02/15 06:46 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 6473
Loc: South Carolina
Charlie Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 6473
Loc: South Carolina
Sounds really good. The tone of Avanna combined with the melody and instruments you've chosen seems to remind me of something I would hear in an early James Bond movie.

Nice song. I enjoyed listening.

Charlie
_________________________
BIAB Ultra Pak+ 2021:RB 2021, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Top
#277817 - 01/02/15 06:59 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 103
Loc: Massachusetts
BruceI Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 01/23/09
Posts: 103
Loc: Massachusetts
This is a great sounding track, the first Vocaloid example I think I have heard. It's different, not quite human of course, but quite a pleasant instrument. Much like BIAB RealTracks in a way - if you work at it, the results are often better than you could realistically expect! I was sorta hoping that when the AI's and robots finally become our overlords that we humans would at least keep the singing and songwriting gig, but I guess not. smile

The melody and arrangement (auto chords?!?) are very nice and the flute part really rocks. Unusual process but it worked well!

Thanks,
Bruce
_________________________
SoundCloud
Blog: Music of the Spheres
Tools: BIAB 2015, Sonar X3, various iPhone/iPad apps

Top
#277821 - 01/02/15 07:09 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Greg Johnson]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: Greg Johnson
You write such pretty songs with some great lyrics! I feel you should get a live vocalist to really show them off.

Hi, Greg.
Yes, I'd love to have a real vocalist!

But I'll confess that it's nice to be able to revise lyrics at two o'clock in the in the morning and not wake anyone up. wink

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277823 - 01/02/15 07:16 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: boehm]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: boehm

Wish you get along with your own synthetic singer.

Hi, Guenter.

Yeah, we fight all the time. laugh

But really, I'm hoping I'll get some time to work on synSinger later this month. I've already put together a prototype to test out a new approach. So far, the results are encouraging.

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277828 - 01/02/15 07:33 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Charlie Fogle]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Hi, Charlie.

I really like the tone of Avanna - voice provider and development team did an awesome job.

Apparently there's a female Vocaloid with an American voice provider in the works, but she's got a harder edge to the vocals.

Thanks for the positive feedback.

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277829 - 01/02/15 07:45 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: BruceI]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: BruceI
This is a great sounding track, the first Vocaloid example I think I have heard.

Hi, Bruce.

If you're curious, here are a couple more - The Gates of Babylon and Memory Eternal.

Quote:
The melody and arrangement (auto chords?!?) are very nice and the flute part really rocks. Unusual process but it worked well!

Thanks!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277841 - 01/02/15 09:22 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 12/08/09
Posts: 214
Loc: California
Carolyne Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 12/08/09
Posts: 214
Loc: California
Hi David,
Took a listen to Love's Forgotten Song. Wow...Love it. Killer arrangement! Fun Tempo, original. Great lyric!
Carolyne


Edited by Carolyne (01/02/15 09:23 PM)

Top
#277845 - 01/02/15 10:03 PM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: Carolyne]
Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
dcuny Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 4327
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: Carolyne
Wow...Love it. Killer arrangement!

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I try to make sure there's a distinct change between the various parts, and dropping the drums on the fourth verse was pretty effective. I thing the vocals on the last verse might be a bit low, but I've got to stop fiddling with it at some point. laugh

If you listen, you'll note there's a lot of ducking the piano and guitar under the vocal as well. As lovely as BiaB instruments are, Vocaloids are difficult to understand in the best of times, so I only pull those instruments up during breaks in the vocal or on held syllables... A lot of micro-editing!

-- David
_________________________
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Top
#277867 - 01/03/15 02:41 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 11/15/14
Posts: 313
Loc: Belgium
FredM Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 11/15/14
Posts: 313
Loc: Belgium
Hi David,
Like the chill out atmosphere. Nice songwriting.
Enjoyed it !
Fred

Top
#277890 - 01/03/15 06:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 9502
Loc: Florida
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 9502
Loc: Florida
"...I was thinking about those subtitled foreign films, where the lyrics are "proper" English, but feel a bit "stiff"... I think I succeeded!"

that is EXACTLY what I thought as I listened!!

The arrangement and mix are terrific - although the "drop" of the instrument levels was "noticeable". Leaving the drums out was an excellent effect. Lowering the piano, sounded like..lowering a piano track. Perhaps it would better to drop it, too and let the guitar take that one alone?...

I enjoy reading what your process is. It's interesting and different - and effective.

I listened a number of times.. and enjoyed it.

One last thing... YOU should be singing your songs. The "girls" are very impressive. But you are better.

floyd

Top
#277899 - 01/03/15 07:32 AM [User Showcase] Re: Love's Forgotton Song [Re: dcuny]
Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 3078
Loc: wales
gibson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 3078
Loc: wales
David,

Them cold bugs produced a wonderful song.

I am fascinated by your, and Guenter's,productions with synthvoices. This shows them to perfection.

Nice tune by the way.

I look forward to more.

Alyn
_________________________
My showcase songs

My story

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


PG Music News
RealBand® Works Great in Windows® 11!

Here's an introductory look at RealBand® running on the preview version of Windows® 11!

Watch the video.

Customers LOVE Band-in-a-Box® 2021!

Check out some of the latest Band-in-a-Box® feedback we've received:

"There's a saying 'Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.' That's exactly what my friend did in 1990. He taught me how to use BIAB and I've used it hundreds of time to do arraignment and to jam with any style band."

"Love BIAB. I use it daily. Their support is great too!"

"RealTracks are amazing!!! I use BIAB for backtracks in my solo act... Still using the basic package and it's all need..."

"I have used Band in A Box for many years. If it would have been around when I was young, I would have been a much better musician. I use it for all my songs I have written and recorded. With Band In A Box I can sit in my room and sound like a whole band without having to put up with them!"

"If you know something about music and take the time to learn the program, you can make it do some amazing things. It is a great help to songwriters who want to demo their song without paying for studio time. It makes changes and tweaks much easier as well."

"Been using it for so many years. It's a great tool. The instruments that I don't have or play make up the void and it saves so much time. I use this program for every song I write."

"Great tool for the songwriter!"

"An essential part of my studio! I write songs on piano, but I'm not a pianist by a long way. BIAB is like having a roomful of session players in your studio, and just the simple act of taking your basic idea and hearing a skilled pianist play it presents so many new ideas and options you hadn't thought of."

"Powerful, easy to use, inexpensive and they even split the modest payments up if you want. No complaints. Lots of satisfaction."

"I added a steel guitar to a fully produced original. He followed every change like he was in the studio reading the chart. Fascinating technology!"

"I have used it to make backing tracks for six CD's with about 12 songs on each. They make a great gift!"

"It's simply a necessity - buy it now - the staff and support do a great job as well!"

"A great tool for us songwriters!"

"I LOVE Band-in-a-Box!"

"I see it as a very worthwhile investment. In fact, from initial purchase about 8 years ago, using the backing tracks I have made, my income from that investment has returned over 5,000% on the investment!"

continued...

Do you have something to say about Band-in-a-Box®? Post your own thoughts for Windows or Mac version today!

Band-in-a-Box® - Boxing Clever - Sound on Sound #TBT

Did you know that Band-in-a-Box® is more than 30 years old? I stumbled across this 1990 magazine article explaining the relatively new program, and think it's an enjoyable read for any Band-in-a-Box user - it really shows that we are always listening to user feedback when developing our program!

Read the article: Boxing Clever: Band-In-A-Box Software

A few of my favorite statements:

"The intention of PG Music's Band-In-A-Box package is to couple that speed and convenience with the improved flexibility of the personal computer. Versions are available for the Atari ST, Mac, and PC compatibles. Have the programmers succeeded? And can they rid themselves of the stigma of the auto-accompaniment section? Given the above state of affairs, the first hurdle that the program has to overcome is one of acceptance and, frankly, a name like 'Band-In-A-Box' is a bad start."

(I think our name was a great start!)

"The final results are, to say the least, impressive. Band-In-A-Box achieves something that most hardwired auto-accompaniment sections have never been able to do - inject a degree of feel into the music. It really does sound more human than so many of the computer generated pieces I've heard."

"...I'm quite convinced that PG Music will have a winner on their hands. This is one piece of software that you can get more out of than you put in."

#TipTuesday Convert RealDrums to MIDI!

Did you know that you can convert RealDrums to MIDI?

VintageGibson shared this tip to our Tips & Tricks forum, which is a great place to look for program tips from other Band-in-a-Box users!

Read this handy trick.

Have a program tip or trick of your own? Share it on our Tips & Tricks forum today!

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Italian for Mac is Here!

Abbiamo lavorato tanto e abbiamo aggiunto 80 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria collezione di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 202 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, SuperTracks MIDI, Studi Strumentali, Performance degli Artisti, Bonus RealDrums "Singoli", trascrizioni RealDrums, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Styles PAKs 10 e 11, e altro ancora!

Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche

Export / Print a List of Selected Styles (Band-in-a-Box®)

Did you know that you can export a list of your Styles from Band-in-a-Box®?

Head to this forum post in our "Tips & Tricks" forum, where VideoTrack shares another handy tip for Band-in-a-Box® users!

Band-in-a-Box® Chord List Resource

Ever wonder which chords are supported in Band-in-a-Box®? Access the information from the Help file in the program, or read through the list with our Online Manual!

Chord List - Mac Online Manual
Chord List - Windows Online Manual

Review the other Reference topcs while you're there - with explanations of the different menus and the Keystroke Commands (Hot Keys), you'll definitely learn something new!

Forum Stats
34911 Members
66 Forums
70930 Topics
614547 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
Kirk Gore, Frank Lennon, Roofus53, Didou59, Jief

34911 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
swingbabymix 225
VideoTrack 223
Pipeline 178
Jim Fogle 155
Simon - PG Music 146
Matt Finley 140
CaptainMoto 122
justanoldmuso 120
rayc 118
MarioD 118
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays