Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197 |
Hi,
I have been using Pro Tools (recent purchase) and have a question about Sub Bus/s.
If for example I have a group of guitars that I have placed into a group and they all have different pan settings, if I then add a sub bus for the guitars where does the panning of the sub bus go to. Is it the center, or another pan setting. I realize that every mix has it's own life so to speak, but I just need a little guidance as I'm now totally brain dead after reading about mixing and mastering.
Please help if you can.
Regards George
Windows 11 64 bit, Biab 2023 1006, Realband 2023 (1) i7 Desktop Computer 16Gb Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130 |
George,
What type of amplifier are you using to power the sub speaker? If the sub speaker has a built-in amplifier where are the amplifier audio inputs coming from?
Every sub system I've seen use a low frequency monophonic audio signal either created in the amplifier/mixer or the sub itself.
Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Hi,
I have been using Pro Tools (recent purchase) and have a question about Sub Bus/s.
If for example I have a group of guitars that I have placed into a group and they all have different pan settings, if I then add a sub bus for the guitars where does the panning of the sub bus go to. Is it the center, or another pan setting. I realize that every mix has it's own life so to speak, but I just need a little guidance as I'm now totally brain dead after reading about mixing and mastering.
Please help if you can.
Regards George Hi George - good to hear from you. If your sub bus is stereo (probably is) your subgroup should retain it's panning. Just bounce the subgroup to a blank track and listen. This might be better answered on the Avid forums. Regards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326 |
Yes, In Sonar all tracks retain their pan settings in the sub busses. When you add the sub buss it shows up as a new STEREO buss.
The main purpose for the busses I use is to easily control the volume of like kind groups and drop effects into them that hit everything in that group. Pan and levels from the tracks are passed through transparently.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 02/18/15 10:24 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326 |
George,
What type of amplifier are you using to power the sub speaker? If the sub speaker has a built-in amplifier where are the amplifier audio inputs coming from?
Every sub system I've seen use a low frequency monophonic audio signal either created in the amplifier/mixer or the sub itself. Jim, this is not talking about sub speakers. This is a whole other thing entirely. Sub busses are another layer of tracks (in stereo) that us folks who use a full feature DAW such as Sonar or PT, can use to send the tracks of like kind things... like vocals or guitars, or strings, into. The benefit is that all those tracks then are easy to control with volume as a group. It is also much easier to place reverb or any other effect, ONE TIME into the buss rather than to place a different instance of that reverb into 5 different vocal tracks...for example. With a buss on vocals and lets say 6 tracks.... if you use a buss you can drop in a reverb and compressor, and a widener... 3 plugs, into the buss. You have 3 FX running. If you don't use a buss or the DAW doesn't support busses, to accomplish the same thing would require 18 plugs.... 3 per track times 6 tracks and that's just the vocals..... The processor starts to get very busy if you are not using busses.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197 |
Hi Jim,
It's not help for an amplifier but help with a software item within a DAW.
But, thank you for responding.
Regards George
Windows 11 64 bit, Biab 2023 1006, Realband 2023 (1) i7 Desktop Computer 16Gb Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197 |
Just bounce the subgroup to a blank track and listen. Hi Bob, would you believe I never thought to do that. Thanks for the heads up. Regards George
Windows 11 64 bit, Biab 2023 1006, Realband 2023 (1) i7 Desktop Computer 16Gb Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197 |
Hi Guitarhacker,
Thank you for that information. Having never used a sub bus/group before and seeing that the sub bus has panning assigned to it I was confused whether if I panned the sub bus to the center would all the sub bus group then be panned to the center. As Bob also explained - there is an easy way to find out - just bounce the sub bus to a new track.
Now I need to find out using the rule RTFM how to bounce one track alone with the sub bus group.
Wish me luck.
Regards George
Windows 11 64 bit, Biab 2023 1006, Realband 2023 (1) i7 Desktop Computer 16Gb Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,820
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,820 |
George, I have read that different DAWs handle bus tracks differently so advice from a Sonar or Cubase owner for example may not be useful. You should post this question on the PT forums.
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,197 |
Hi Mario,
You are absolutely right.
Realband, Reaper, Harrison Mixbus etc etc etc will all handle things differently.
Just need to try try and try again.
Please Note: I am having fun whilst learning, just need to plug the brain drains senior moments.
Regards George
Windows 11 64 bit, Biab 2023 1006, Realband 2023 (1) i7 Desktop Computer 16Gb Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,820
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,820 |
Please Note: I am having fun whilst learning, just need to plug the brain drains senior moments.
Regards George
If you learn how to do this PLEASE let me know!
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326 |
there is an easy way to find out - just bounce the sub bus to a new track.
OR..... punch the SOLO button on the buss. I would think even PT would be able to solo a buss.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130 |
George,
I must have had speakers on my mind and misread your original post. Sorry for the incorrect advice.
Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 117
Apprentice
|
Apprentice
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 117 |
Jim, Your not alone....I've been pricing powered subs and clicked on this thread with an elevated heart rate.
Always glad to learn something new which may come in handy some day.
BiaB/RB 2014 OmniPak Juno-Gi Mobile Synth Roland GR-20+GK-3 Guitar Synthesizer System Godin Nylon String Synth Access Guitar
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Jim, Your not alone....I've been pricing powered subs and clicked on this thread with an elevated heart rate.
Always glad to learn something new which may come in handy some day. Check out the JBL powered subs. We are using a single 18"/500 watt, and it kicks! Regards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Video: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
Paket | Was ist Neu
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,640
Posts735,355
Members38,525
|
Most Online2,537 Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|