Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#291987 - 04/17/15 12:27 PM [User Showcase] Walk With Me
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
This song began as a Pat-Pattison-based, lyric exercise that I set for myself.



During the course of creating this work, I read a forum comment from Mike (aka cubanpete) where he said “...always envy the ability to create lyrics”. That got me thinking and it occurred to me that if I could show Mike how I set about putting these lyrics together, it might give him an insight that could be useful for his own works; so I documented some of the main aspects of the process. The document can be found via the below link as a pdf. (This document might also be of interest for those in the forum who have taken Pat Pattison's songwriting course at http://coursera.org .)

  • How these lyrics were assembled (pdf)
(link no longer valid)
Quote:
**SPOILER ALERT
It's best to read the pdf AFTER listening to the song at least once. Then, and ONLY then, read it if you don't mind never hearing my lyrics the same ever again. The document will probably disillusion its reader!


"Walk With Me" was created in Band In A Box and additional tracks were added in Realband using multiriff. Reaper was used to add vocals and polish the mix.

Please feel free to comment on any aspect of the song whatsoever.

All the best,
Noel


BAND IN A BOX TRACKS
Base Style: _CRICH2.STY (Electric Guitar Ballad (85 RS))
PianoCustom Synth is Hi-Q 001 01 Piano, Acoustic, Grand SampleTank.tgs

RealTracks 1546: Bass, Electric, CountrySwing Sw 085
MIDI SuperTracks 2240: Piano, Rhythm EZListening Sw 085
RealTracks 530: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Hank Sw 085
RealTracks 971: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm CountrySwingGrittyA-B Sw 085
RealTracks 2027: Piano, Acoustic, Soloist CountrySwingJohn Sw 085

RealDrums: NashvilleShuffle^02-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat


LYRICS
© 2015 Noel Adams. Words and music, all rights reserved.

Hold my hand and walk with me
I know a journey just for two
You'll travel footloose and fancy free
Strolling along with me

Hold my hand and walk with me
We'll greet adventure every day
You won't regret it, I guarantee
Dreams 'll come true when you walk with me

If it's stormy
And it pours with rain
I'll be a rainbow and push the gloom away
And if it's dark
Because the sun forgot to shine
I'll be a sunbeam
And I will decorate the sky

Hold my hand and walk with me
We'll travel a trail that never ends
Wherever we wander, just wait and see
Stars will align when you walk with me

[Instrumental]

If it's stormy
And it pours with rain
I'll be a rainbow and push the gloom away
And if it's dark
Because the sun forgot to shine
I'll be a sunbeam
And I will decorate the sky

Hold my hand and walk with me
We'll travel a trail that never ends
Wherever we wander, just wait and see
Stars will align when you walk with me
And the future will smile
Destination, whatever will be
Please walk with me




Edited by Andrew - PG Music (09/26/17 04:57 PM)
_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#291999 - 04/17/15 01:58 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 8584
Loc: Florida
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 8584
Loc: Florida
Noel,

I like so many things about this.

Your vocal is so uniquely....Noel! Like a Randy Newman vocal. Or Tom Waits. Identifiable! Cool.

This song "took me back" - as your songs often do. So many of them sound like they were lifted right out of the great musical movies of the past. I could not help but see/hear Gene Kelly performing this (sauntering as he did, of course). Tin Pan Alley all the way.. Cool.

"footloose and fancy free" smile Nice!

(I did not read your lyric pdf. I prefer to let a song speak for itself)

Your chorus is delightful. Thematic and demonstrative! Cool.

Terrific mix! LOVE your harmonies. The piano solo is inspired. Interesting mix of instruments.

A pleasure to listen to.

floyd


Top
#292000 - 04/17/15 02:03 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 187
Loc: Edmonton,Canada
big741 Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 02/12/14
Posts: 187
Loc: Edmonton,Canada
Hi, Noel.

Nice work, I enjoyed it very much.

Thanks for the music,
Dan
_________________________


Top
#292003 - 04/17/15 02:10 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/02/14
Posts: 3180
Loc: The Netherlands
RnAM Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/02/14
Posts: 3180
Loc: The Netherlands
Hi Noel,

Very, very cool song! Really good vocals and harmonies.
This could be a song from one of musicals that were popular in the 60's or 70'. It invites you to sing along!
_________________________
We are Rob Meulman and Anne-Marie Bovenkamp from The Netherlands.

RnAM Homepage (completely restyled)
YouTube Channel

Top
#292021 - 04/17/15 03:17 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 3218
Loc: Florida
tommyad Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/22/11
Posts: 3218
Loc: Florida
Hey there Brother Adams, There is a lot to love about this one. Stellar mix and choice of real tracks. Extremely well sung. I love the harmony near the end. That was inspired. Of course the lyrics are crafted with great expertise. I have not yet read the PDF. I certainly am coming nowhere close to expressing how much I enjoyed and admire this piece. Standing O and Bravo! Tom

Top
#292029 - 04/17/15 03:31 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 08/09/10
Posts: 4440
Loc: New York
rsdean Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/09/10
Posts: 4440
Loc: New York
Hey Noel,

You really know how to capture the vibe and feel of the standards from the 50s & 60s. I could hear Danny Kaye singing this immediately. Excellent all around - perfect vocal and arrangement.

The lyrics pdf was a very nice touch - love the insight into your process.

Bob
_________________________
SoundCloud Tracks


Top
#292033 - 04/17/15 03:38 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 12/12/11
Posts: 2977
Loc: York, England
ROG Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/12/11
Posts: 2977
Loc: York, England
Hi Noel,

Great song with a wonderful period feel to it.

Yes, I did read the PDF after listening to the track and found it both fascinating and bewildering. I'm full of admiration for the amount of detail which went into these lyrics - my own method is very much the antithesis of yours.

One thing which I did notice is that the chorus appears to be blank verse, that is, it has no rhyming scheme at all. What struck me as strange is that I didn't notice it whilst listening to the song, only when reading the lyric sheet.

Thanks for providing so much detail - I'm always interested in other people's methods.

ROG.

Top
#292053 - 04/17/15 06:18 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 4589
Sundance Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 4589
All around terrific Noel.

Especially love the chord progression and the harmony is fabulous.

Josie

Top
#292070 - 04/17/15 09:49 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/12/12
Posts: 2632
Loc: South Africa
JoanneCooper Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/12/12
Posts: 2632
Loc: South Africa
Hi Noel

Loved this one from the first note. Love the swing feel. I think this one could be used in an upbeat çommercial. The little piano riff in the middle is simply gorgeous.

I had a look at the PDF and I can relate to a it. I have done the coursera course used Pat Pattisons techniques quite a bit. I am not quite as patient as you are.

Thanks for sharing your methods. Very informative

Top
#292076 - 04/18/15 12:31 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 06/05/12
Posts: 11386
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
VideoTrack Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 06/05/12
Posts: 11386
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Hey Noel

What a great arrangement. And thanks for the efforts you went to to describe the songwriting process.

Very thorough.

Clever lyrics, great melody, perfect mix. Fabulous piano break.

Thanks for sharing

Trevor
_________________________
BIAB&RB2020(Audiophile),Win-10Pro, SonarPlatinum, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, KorgX3R, RodeNGT2, AM802mixer, NS40M StudioMonitors, Pioneer Act. Mons, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Top
#292092 - 04/18/15 05:29 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 5822
Loc: South Carolina
Charlie Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 5822
Loc: South Carolina
This was quite a trip to 'walk with you' through your lyric writing process in creating such a wonderful song. This has all the right elements present, good lyrics, nice, catchy melody, a great mix, arrangement and production.

Thanks for sharing your techniques and your song with us.

Enjoyed both.

Charlie



Edited by c_fogle (04/18/15 05:51 AM)
_________________________
BiaB Ultra Pak+ 2020:RB 2020: Dell Inspiron AIO Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, 7th Generation AMD A9-9425 Processor Five Core 3100 Mhz and 16GB DDR4 Memory.

Top
#292118 - 04/18/15 09:34 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2868
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
boehm Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2868
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
Hi Noel,

let me quote Trevor: "Clever lyrics, great melody, perfect mix. Fabulous piano break." and add great vocals and harmony.
The description of your writing process looks like a lot of work is going on.
Enjoyable listen.

Guenter
_________________________
http://www.21d.de/
Latest Song: What You Desire

Top
#292120 - 04/18/15 09:41 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 07/15/12
Posts: 1728
gruverider Offline
Expert

Registered: 07/15/12
Posts: 1728
Love the piano solo and you have a wonderful musical lift in arrangement in the back half of the song.

I read the pdf and appreciate your effort in sharing it. I'm glad to hear that you have and are finding your writing voice utilizing the techniques that you have learned.

Keep up the good work and I will be listening to your next song and keeping an eye out for your underlying approach.

Top
#292150 - 04/18/15 01:19 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 5781
Loc: Davis, CA
Greg Johnson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 5781
Loc: Davis, CA
Wonderful song!! Love the happy, care-free, simple and sweet sentiment. I could see Ringo covering this if he was still doing solo records. Also, would make a great song for a scene in a feelgood movie! My favorite of yours so far!! Love it! Take care. Greg

Top
#292198 - 04/18/15 10:58 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: floyd jane]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Noel,

I like so many things about this.

Your vocal is so uniquely....Noel! Like a Randy Newman vocal. Or Tom Waits. Identifiable! Cool.

This song "took me back" - as your songs often do. So many of them sound like they were lifted right out of the great musical movies of the past. I could not help but see/hear Gene Kelly performing this (sauntering as he did, of course). Tin Pan Alley all the way.. Cool.

"footloose and fancy free" smile Nice!

(I did not read your lyric pdf. I prefer to let a song speak for itself)

Your chorus is delightful. Thematic and demonstrative! Cool.

Terrific mix! LOVE your harmonies. The piano solo is inspired. Interesting mix of instruments.

A pleasure to listen to.

floyd



floyd,

Thank you for listening and for the feedback! It seems that I'm destined to sound like Tin Pan Alley! Oh well, there are worse things in life smile On the upside, it's definitely the period of popular music that appeals to me so I can live with it comfortably enough.

The harmonies came about by accident. Because of the key I was in, and the melody I'd chosen, if I sang a vocal line below the melody, it worked but it didn't do much to enhance the overall sound. The same thing happened if I sang a voice above. When I tried adding both above and below vocals, the sound was too full for what I wanted. At that point, I decided to leave the song without harmony. Then it occurred to me that I hadn't tried a classical counterpoint approach. It's been a decade or so since I last thought about counterpoint. Anyway, I grabbed Melodyne, took the vocal line that I sang below the melody and changed the pitch of the notes so that they followed the principles of First Species Counterpoint. I couldn't believe it when I played it back. It worked.

So what you're hearing in the harmony is actually my vocal part below the melody that's been pitch shifted to give a counterpoint melody against the original melody (if that makes sense). I didn't re-sing the second part because the Melodyne pitch-shifted notes seemed to do the job.

The piano solo (RT 2027) is the result of probably 50 regenerations. Whenever I came across something I liked in a (re)generation of the track, I saved it. This particular RT seems to have many possible variations. I then hunted through the saved files and compiled a track from the bits I liked best.

Thanks again for dropping in. It's always great to see/read you.

All the best,
Noel


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#292199 - 04/18/15 11:08 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: big741]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: big741
Hi, Noel.

Nice work, I enjoyed it very much.

Thanks for the music,
Dan


Hey Dan,

It's great that you've become part of our community! Thank you for jumping into my thread and having a listen. I appreciate your comments.

All the best,
Noel


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#292200 - 04/18/15 11:35 PM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/23/10
Posts: 1717
Loc: New Zealand
RichMac Offline
Expert

Registered: 05/23/10
Posts: 1717
Loc: New Zealand
Hi Noel. This is definitely up to your usual standard of excellence.
I like that you have a really good melody in your songs also.
This one makes me think of the Muppets.
I could imagine Kermit singing it.
Will go read about it now.
Great. Cheers.
_________________________
https://soundcloud.com/tuigorge



Top
#292205 - 04/19/15 01:11 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: RnAM]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: R & AM
Hi Noel,

Very, very cool song! Really good vocals and harmonies.
This could be a song from one of musicals that were popular in the 60's or 70'. It invites you to sing along!


Hi Rob and Anne-Marie,

It looks like all the years of listening to musicals, playing songs from Tin Pan Alley and growing up in the 60s influenced me more than I realised! LOL smile

Thanks for taking time and listening. Now if I could only sing counterpoint like Anne-Marie and lead vocals like Rob, I'd have it made! You're both amazing.

All the best,
Noel


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#292214 - 04/19/15 06:13 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: tommyad]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: tommyad
Hey there Brother Adams, There is a lot to love about this one. Stellar mix and choice of real tracks. Extremely well sung. I love the harmony near the end. That was inspired. Of course the lyrics are crafted with great expertise. I have not yet read the PDF. I certainly am coming nowhere close to expressing how much I enjoyed and admire this piece. Standing O and Bravo! Tom


Hey Tom!

LOL!!!! Yep it's a great family name there! When I was in primary school, half a century ago, I really hoped that I'd get a teacher one year who never did things alphabetically. Just once would have done. Didn't happen!

Thanks for plunging into the song. All your positive comments made me blush a bit and smile a lot. Appreciate it.

For what it's worth, the approach I used with the harmony is a classical technique called "First Species Counterpoint". I put a link to a Wikipedia article in my reply to floyd (up a couple of posts).

It's a great technique and is not nearly as complicated as it sounds.

Once again, thanks brother Adams smile
Noel


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#292301 - 04/20/15 02:29 AM [User Showcase] Re: Walk With Me [Re: rsdean]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16637
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: rsdean
Hey Noel,

You really know how to capture the vibe and feel of the standards from the 50s & 60s. I could hear Danny Kaye singing this immediately. Excellent all around - perfect vocal and arrangement.

The lyrics pdf was a very nice touch - love the insight into your process.

Bob


Hi Bob,

I always smile when I see your name pop up in a thread smile It's good to see you. Thanks for finding time to listen to "Walk With Me".

I've just zipped over to Youtube and had a listen to a couple of Danny Kaye songs. I've always found him very entertaining. It was great revisiting memories.

Thumbelina from 'Hans Christian Andersen' is one that has stayed in my head since I first heard it back in the 60s. Such a great, happy song. My style completely! *LOL* The backup harmony is excellent.

Thanks again for passing by.

All the best,
Noel


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


PG Music News
Rock Dojo... Top 5 Reasons Why Band-in-a-Box® Rocks!

Check out this nice review from Rock Dojo, Top Five Reasons Why Band-in-a-Box® Rocks!.

Brian, the founder of Rock Dojo, is a Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac user, and couldn't be happier with the program.

It doesn't matter whether you're a guitar teacher or a student guitarist, Band-in-a-Box (BIAB) is must-have software to take your teaching practice or your playing to the next level!
-Brian Parham

Thanks for the great feedback Brian!

Band-in-a-Box® Delivery Explained...

When you order your copy of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows or Mac directly from PG Music Inc., you can choose to download your order, ship your order, or BOTH!

Having your Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK shipped? Choose between DVD installation or flash drive installation during the checkout process. Purchasing the UltraPAK or UltraPAK+? These ship pre-installed on a USB 3.0 hard drive!

Don't forget, just because you're order is shipping doesn't mean you can't download it while you wait - you can locate your online order records in your pgmusic.com account, within the "My Products" section.

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac to the latest build 419 to correct any improper messages for Natural Arrangements, apply VST setting improvements, experience faster customized RealTracks and RealDrums Pickers, and fix a few other user-reported issues within the program.

You'll also receive the latest DAW Plugin version 2.12.15 update, with more than 30 additions and updates, including additional options within context menus, the ability to loop a set of bars by highlighting them, and more!

Learn more about this FREE update and download it here.

Let's Hear Your Band-in-a-Box® Songs!

Working on your first song in Band-in-a-Box®? Or maybe you've built up a great collection of songs... Make sure to share them to the User Showcase Forum where other program users post their original songs too! Receive feedback, build your audience, and connect with other enthusiastic program users - you'll be happy you did!

While you're there, make sure to listen to some of the other great songs posted!

Band-in-a-Box® Country Music Add-ons!

Happy International Country Music Day!!!

You might not think of Band-in-a-Box® as a country music making machine, but you'd be surprised... there are OVER 850 Country RealTracks available!

See (hear?) the Country songs created by Band-in-a-Box® users when you check out the Band-in-a-Box® Radio playlists Country/EZ Listening/Folk 1 and Country/EZ Listening/Folk 2.

Feeling inspired to create your own Country song in Band-in-a-Box®? Pop into the RealTracks Picker and create your own custom country band by filtering for "Country" or choose an existing Country style within the StylePicker Window by choosing a "Country" Filter String (from the drop down menu).

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 French for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 apporte plus de 50 nouvelles fonctionnalités ! Des améliorations ont été apportées aux RealTracks (RealTracks vocales au son plus doux, Epaississement des RealTracks, fonctions RealTracks "Trouver un Subs" et Multiriffs). La majorité des RealDrums dispose maintenant de RealCharts (avec une notation Drums précise). Le nouveau navigateur d'artistes RealTracks permet la recherche d'informations/bios/liens/listes sur artistes RealTracks. Le nouveau navigateur de fonctions permet à l'utilisateur nouveau ou "tête en l'air" de trouver et d'utiliser facilement la plupart des fonctionnalités/raccourcis/documents à partir d'une seule fenêtre. L'égalisation du tempo permet de changer un morceau rubato enregistré en un tempo fixe. L'étirement audio temps/pitch a été amélioré (Elastique inclus). Il y a des améliorations un peu partout dans le SongPicker, les Intros automatiques avec Basse/drums ou drums seuls, l'extension du nombre de titres avec + 3.400 titres nouveaux, MusicXML, la guitare avec vues "gaucher" et "élève", la fonction glisser-déposer, l'affichage multi-fenêtres de l'Assistant Accord Audio et bien plus encore !

ACHAT / MISE À JOUR, & TÉLÉCHARGEMENT MAINTENANT!

Get Inspired with the Band-in-a-Box® Title Generator!

There can be many triggers that could inspire you to write a song... but what if you're wanting to write a song, and are having trouble finding the inspiration you need?

Jump start your creativity using the Title Generator feature in Band-in-a-Box®.

I love this feature - it delivers some beautiful results!

To access this feature:

Mac: select Edit | Chords | Auto-Generate Song Title menu command (control+shift+S). The song title will appear in the Title window! Repeat the Auto-Generate Song Title command until the program comes up with a suitable title for your song. Band-in-a-Box® will keep generating new titles for as long as it takes to get the right one.

Windows: click on the "Generate Title" button within the main screen of the program and you can choose to "auto-generate" a song title which will appear right in the Title field of your song, or for a more varied selection choose to "generate multiple titles" and you'll be taken to the Title Generator window, which can generate a list of 50 song titles for you!

I've just done this, and won't bother list all 50 here - but the "top 10" I've chosen from my generated list are:
Eloquent Laugh
Statuesque Luck
Considering a Rainbow
Brief Fling, Acknowledged
Something for a Sandpiper
Happy Runaround
Cheatin' Skies
Then Came a Rose
The Mention of My Love
Eternal Raincheck

Give it a try!

The resource for this feature can also be edited, allowing you to customize the results.
(to do this, review the file TITL1.TXT within the BB Data folder.)

Forum Stats
32874 Members
68 Forums
66195 Topics
562295 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
Patto, rafael pineda, MSiegel2020, northpointidaho, ccregor

32874 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
eddie1261 170
VideoTrack 142
Janice & Bud 128
Pipeline 122
floyd jane 112
Planobilly 109
MarioD 102
Matt Finley 99
rayc 96
Al-David 95
Today's Birthdays
chardin, Steve Ducote