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#296482 - 05/25/15 02:40 AM [Forum des Utilisateurs Français de Band-in-a-Box] Synchro MIDI de BIAB avec Cubase ou autre DAW?
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Ptit lu all...

Je suis loin d'être novice en MAO (je suis d'ailleurs un ancien formateur agréé Steinberg), mais là, j'y perds mon latin...

Devant la rigolade qu'est le mode plugin de BIAB, je me suis mis en quête d'un moyen de synchroniser ce dernier avec Cubase (notamment, car j'utilise également Live et Reason) via MIDI, mais là, j'en viens à me demander si c'est seulement possible.

La seule fonction que j'ai trouvé dans les options et préférences de BIAB, c'est la case "Envoi MIDI sync/start" disponible dans la section "Options MIDI" des Préférences, et rien de plus.
M^m le manuel ne donne aucune info sur le sujet!

En temps normal, pour synchroniser deux softs, on active l'option idoine, on défini le port MIDI commun aux deux bestioles, puis, on défini laquelle des deux doit être le maitre et l'esclave. Rien que du très classique en somme. Mais ici, je ne trouve aucune de ces fonctions!!!

J'ai d'abord naïvement cru que BIAB, pour la synchro MIDI, créait un port MIDI virtuel avant de constater que ce n'était pas le cas. J'ai donc réinstallé un logiciel destiné à cette fonction (style Hubi's Loopback Device, Midi Yoke, et consort. Pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas, il s'agit d'installer une "interface" MIDI virtuelle sur votre machine afin de faire communiquer entre eux différents logiciels "en interne" sans passer par un câblage externe entre différentes entrées et sorties d'une interface MIDI externe), et après config, je peux sans problème sélectionner le port virtuel ainsi créé aussi bien en sortie de BIAB qu'en entrée synchro de Cubase, mais rien ne se passe.

Les seuls infos que j'ai trouvé sont incohérentes avec le contenu du menu Options:

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49. Can I sync Band-in-a-Box to an external MIDI source?

Band-in-a-Box can only act as a 'master' by sending a simple 'song start' and 'song stop' message, and it also sends MIDI Timing Clock. It will send the sync info as long as 'Output sync/start info' is checked in Opt. | Preferences | MIDI Options. One other thing you can do is get Band-in-a-Box to wait until it receives a MIDI note or pedal, or you press a key on your computer (qwerty) keyboard. This feature is found in Opt. | Preferences - 'Pause play until MIDI or key received'.

For additional MIDI sync features, you could open your Band-in-a-Box file into RealBand (or PowerTracks Pro Audio), which is a dedicated MIDI sequencer. There is more information about those features in this FAQ topic.


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67. How do I synchronize PowerTracks with another MIDI device?

Sometimes it is necessary to synchronize a MIDI sequencer such as PowerTracks Pro Audio with another MIDI device so that they start at the same time, play at the same tempo, stop at the same time, and so on. A MIDI sequencer can control playback timing by sending certain MIDI timing messages to another device. The other device receives the messages and adjusts its playback accordingly so that the two stay in sync. The device that sends the MIDI messages is known as the "master". The other device is know as the "slave". There are a few different types of MIDI messages that are used. Here are some useful definitions.

SMPTE: Pronounced "Simtee". This is a standard time code developed by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. It uses the format hh:mm:ss:ff (hours, minutes, seconds, frames).

MTC (MIDI Time Code): This is a MIDI message used to synchronize playback between MIDI devices. It controls timing by specifying the exact location from the beginning of the song. The timing data is similar to SMPTE.

MIDI Clock: This is a MIDI message used to synchronize MIDI devices by controlling the playback rate (tempo). Unlike MTC it does not use a time code to specify the exact location from the beginning of the song.

SSP (Song Position Pointer): This is a MIDI message that tells a slave where to start playing (Position).

MIDI Start/Stop: MIDI Start and MIDI Stop messages tell a slave to start or stop playback.

MIDI Continue: This is similar to MIDI Start, but is used to start playback in the middle of a song.

To use PowerTracks as a slave, select one of the following from the Options | Sync Source menu.:

MIDI Sync: This will allow PowerTracks to respond to MIDI Clock and Song Position Pointer.

MTC/SMPTE: This will allow PowerTracks to respond to MIDI Time Code.

When you press Play with either of these options selected, PowerTracks will wait for the appropriate MIDI sync message from the other MIDI unit before starting playback.

To use PowerTracks as a master, go to the Options | MIDI Out dialog and enable one or more of the following settings:

Send MIDI SPP: If checked, PowerTracks will send Song Position Pointer.

Send Realtime messages: If checked, PowerTracks will send MIDI Clock, and also MIDI Start, Stop, and Continue messages.

Send MIDI Time Code: If checked, PowerTracks will send MIDI Time Code.

For more information on the settings in this dialog, click the Help button.

If you are having any trouble, you may need to consult the documentation for your other MIDI device to find out how it receives and sends these MIDI messages.


Je mets au défi qui le voudra de trouver les "options" que j'ai mis en surligné et en gras dans ces citations. En tout cas, sur BIAB 2014 sur lequel je tourne, impossible de les trouver en suivant les chemins indiqués par ces FAQs, et le "Help Button" n'est pas d'une plus grande utilité dans cette affaire!!!...
Bref, si quelqu'un a déjà réussi à synchroniser BIAB (quelqu'en soit la version) avec un autre soft, ou une machine externe, qu'il n'hésite pas à partager parce que là, je commence à perdre ma patience avec PG...


Edited by Spawn-X (05/25/15 02:41 AM)
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#297943 - 06/02/15 11:22 AM [Forum des Utilisateurs Français de Band-in-a-Box] Re: Synchro MIDI de BIAB avec Cubase ou autre DAW? [Re: Spawn-X]
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#298006 - 06/02/15 02:36 PM [Forum des Utilisateurs Français de Band-in-a-Box] Re: Synchro MIDI de BIAB avec Cubase ou autre DAW? [Re: Spawn-X]
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Salut Spawn-X,

Les deux menus que tu indiques en gras se trouvent bien dans le menu du logiciel PowerTracks de PG que j'ai installé en "addons" et accessible par le biais du centre d'entrainement de BIAB. L'option ne se trouve pas nativement dans BIAB.
Mais ça ne va pas beaucoup t'avancer ...
Cordialement
boowoo3

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#298668 - 06/06/15 03:21 PM [Forum des Utilisateurs Français de Band-in-a-Box] Re: Synchro MIDI de BIAB avec Cubase ou autre DAW? [Re: boowoo3]
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Originally Posted By: boowoo3
Salut Spawn-X,

Les deux menus que tu indiques en gras se trouvent bien dans le menu du logiciel PowerTracks de PG que j'ai installé en "addons" et accessible par le biais du centre d'entrainement de BIAB. L'option ne se trouve pas nativement dans BIAB.
Mais ça ne va pas beaucoup t'avancer ...
Cordialement
boowoo3

Salut,
Effectivement, ça ne m'aide pas beaucoup... :-(
Je vais continuer à chercher.
Si quelqu'un à un idée...
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#576547 - 01/17/20 07:20 AM [Forum des Utilisateurs Français de Band-in-a-Box] Re: Synchro MIDI de BIAB avec Cubase ou autre DAW? [Re: Spawn-X]
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Salut Spawn-X
Je cherchais la même solution et le vétéran Pipeline m'a sauvé ! :
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=497158#Post497158

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