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Inside Toto's hit song. 15 minutes well spent. http://thesoundla.com/2016/02/dissecting-totos-rosanna/That's how you do it.
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O!M!G!...and I don't use that often, but seriously! I have always loved this song. It's crazy how it is SO musical, AND still people who don't know a thing about music love the song too!! "Jeff Porcaro looks up to Jeff Porcaro"....ha! That was funny! My drum instructor made me learn this song. It was a love/hate time in my life. I felt empowered and be-littled! lol What a cool thing to post! Thanks! Great to listen to. No weak link in that band.
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TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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I don't think most people really get that guitar. My jaw drops every time!
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Mix has a nice article about the making of "Roseanna" and "Africa". You can read about it ++ HERE ++
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Mix has a nice article about the making of "Roseanna" and "Africa". You can read about it ++ HERE ++ Nice article. There was terminology used and analog equipment mentioned that along with 'cutting tape' will zip right by this younger generation. At the 1982 grammy awards Toto gave Robert Hilburn a sarcastic salute to the Los Angeles Times music critic. This article ends with a sarcastic nod to what Toto apparently thinks about a lot of the music this younger generation produces in their quote: "Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.”
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"Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.” Oh yeah!!
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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"Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.”
Sounds a bit elitist to me. There are producers who play the studio like a virtuoso and I strongly suspect some of them don't play an instrument or sing.
Kinda like saying photographers aren't artists.
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"Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.” this has always been the case with every emerging technology. People who are skilled in the old ways tend to disrespect the new way... yet the new way brings its own set of rules that eventually sorts out the achievers from the rest of the pack. People who treat technology as the whole solution tend to end up as "the rest of the pack", whereas people who use technology as one of many means toward an end tend to get results based on the best that each of their tools brings to the table. Not every photo is a work of art.. but some clearly are. Not every song (whether recorded with technology or not) is a hit... but some are. The real question here (IMO) is less about technology, and more about the sum of all reasons why some artists rise to the top, while others (who may be more talented) do not.
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I always feel there is room for both. Ultimately it's not about the tool used so much as was what the person going for achieved. So True Toto, somehow, managed to pull off the rare combo!
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An interesting side note, Joe, Jeff's dad, didn't care for Toto or what Jeff was doing with his music at the time. He thought the music was radio garbage!
I guess it's just interesting how people view this as great "real music" and others saw it as the thing the first people are ripping on.
For the record, I believe Joe has said otherwise now.
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and there are always the two true proverbs:
Give somebody a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail.
A fool with a tool is still a fool.
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and there are always the two true proverbs:
Give somebody a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail.
A fool with a tool is still a fool.
GHinCH, Gosh I wish I said that. 
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"Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.”
Sounds a bit elitist to me. There are producers who play the studio like a virtuoso and I strongly suspect some of them don't play an instrument or sing.
Kinda like saying photographers aren't artists.
Bud I think there's a lot of truth in that quote. I didn't say it originally, but I love it because it's true. And furthermore, I don't see it as being the least bit elitist or snobbish. Not even a smidgen. Technology IS great! Any disagreements here? I'm not a PT fan...give me Sonar instead. However, to each his own. Band in the Box enables people who can't play any instrument to make music.... hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Auto-tune makes a singer out of anyone, and again I'm not a fan of AT. But if you take those tools and give them to some one who can play and sing, and knows how to use them, who doesn't "need it" as a crutch to do the job, but instead, can use it as simply another tool, then yes, the results can be awesome.
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and there are always the two true proverbs:
Give somebody a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail.
A fool with a tool is still a fool. I think this sums up what you had mentioned. Although we may not agree on everything here, I do feel this is one that will get a smile from anyone that views it. I saw it on FB and thought it fit perfectly with this point. Example 
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"Technology is great, Pro Tools is great, but it also enables people who can't play and can't sing to make records. If you give technology to the people who can really play and not use it as a crutch but use it as a tool, then it's awesome.”
Sounds a bit elitist to me. There are producers who play the studio like a virtuoso and I strongly suspect some of them don't play an instrument or sing.
Kinda like saying photographers aren't artists.
Bud I think there's a lot of truth in that quote. I didn't say it originally, but I love it because it's true. And furthermore, I don't see it as being the least bit elitist or snobbish. Not even a smidgen. Technology IS great! Any disagreements here? I'm not a PT fan...give me Sonar instead. However, to each his own. Band in the Box enables people who can't play any instrument to make music.... hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Auto-tune makes a singer out of anyone, and again I'm not a fan of AT. But if you take those tools and give them to some one who can play and sing, and knows how to use them, who doesn't "need it" as a crutch to do the job, but instead, can use it as simply another tool, then yes, the results can be awesome. The key to the statement IMO is "make records." If that includes producers/engineers then I still think it is elitist to suggest that there is something awry with them if they don't play or sing. For performers who can't produce their signature sound sans vocal altering effects I suppose they are artists of some ilk but in my book they are not singers. That's my ole curmudgeon story and I'm sticking with it.
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