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I currently run two machines for music purposes. My desktop running win10, quad core, 1T, 8gB RAM. It is also loaded with word, excel,BIAB, RB,Reaper, and other programs.
My other computer is an HP G70 Pavilon laptop running on Vista and that is my problem. I use this computer for my email and internet accesses to google searches for music, lyric sheets, and lessons. What keeps happening is that I get the message about the browser I am using (IE 9) no longer supported and i can't update it. I did some research for a browser that would work with Vista but would still be supported by Microso$t and others. I came up with three: Opera, Seamonkey, Palemoon. Has anyone had any experience with these. I would hate to give up my laptop as I use that as a extra step before loading anything off the net onto my main computer. Hope this made sense. Thanks for any infor. DennisD


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Firefox should work.

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It does, Bob.

I used Mozilla Firefox with Vista up until my change to Windows 7 earlier this year. Internet Explorer stopped working 5 or so years ago for me.





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Firefox is my favorite browser. I don't have a Vista computer though.


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I have used FireFox on XP, Win 7 and Win 10 computers.

But if you want to be saver when browsing I would go to Linux. FireFox works in Linux and a Linux based OS should be saver than an outdated Vista OS. I had Linux running on an old small notebook that was XP so it should run on a Vista machine with no problems.

Note I would be afraid of getting a virus or malware infection then moving it to your music machine. If you keep the Vista machine I would do an music computer image archive prior to moving anything from the Vista to music machine. YMMV

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Totally agree Mario. People insisting on using old OS's right now are playing with fire. Even Win 7 is already 6 years old which in dog years is like 50. Computers age faster than dogs.

This is the whole reason for MS giving away Win 10 and doing automatic updates. MS is trying to get everyone on the same piece of sheet music with security.

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Also, you need to keep good AV software plus Malwarebytes on your computer and keep them up to date.

In addition, get good disk imaging software, and back up two copies; one daily and another once per month. The daily one keeps your data safe and the once per month will get you back to last month if you get a virus or ransom ware.

On my once a month, I keep several months archived. I've never had to use it, but it's nice knowing it is there, 'just in case'

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Guys, thanks for taking the time to reply. I will try Firefox and see how it works. I may be taking extra steps but I use the vista to surf for lyrics, chords, etc. once I have found something I like I copy it onto my vista machine as a file. I then check the file for viruses or malware before copying onto a flash drive then onto my desktop. DennisD


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FireFox is a good one. I used to be an advocate for Mozilla until I tried Google Chrome. FireFox and Chrome are essentially the standards now. smile

Either one uses add-ons that allow you to customize your browsing experience. Most popular extensions/add-ons are on both browser platforms, regardless.


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The only thing I don't like about Chrome is that it is owned by Google and I would guess tracks every move you make on the Internet to send ads your way.

Not that targeted ads are necessarily a bad thing, but if they are going to sell my personal information, I wish they would at least give me a percentage of the profits )

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They all do that Notes. I'm on FF now and if I go to any commercial site like CNN or Fox or Popular Science or anything, I'll see a few ads for the music stuff I just checked out on Sweetwater for example. Then one time I looked at some used car ads on Autotrader and sure enough car stuff started popping up.

It's not personal info, they don't even have my name much less anything more personal like my address, it's simply website tracking cookies. You can disable those but then some websites require you to have cookies enabled or you can't see the site. It's all about do you want to have a free and open internet or do you want to have to subscribe and pay for every website you want to visit? Somebody has to pay for all the bandwidth.

It's the same thing with popup add blockers. I have that enabled but several sites like Forbes will not let you into the site without turning the popup blocker off. All the little tricks we all like to use won't work on some the bigger well known sites. They simply tell you up front, hey this is the price of admission. Leave the cookies on, turn off the blockers or sorry, Charlie.

The LA Times started limiting the number of times I can view the site for free per month. I haven't actually counted it but I'll guess it's about 10. As soon as I exceed the limit they won't let me in, I get a popup saying I can get a paid subscription if I want. If not I have to wait until the month rolls over.

I started a thread in this forum about cutting the cord for commercial TV. I know this doesn't apply to you Notes but for others I'm wondering if that would be worth it. I'm thinking as soon as I get it all set up, things will change, whatever I started using for streaming suddenly takes a leap in price and the overall costs will still be about the same for stuff I want to watch or do online.

There really is no free lunch.

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Google does give back, in their own way ..

Google.com
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Google Map (with GEO and GPS and Directions)
Google Places
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Google Docs
GMail

etc.
They give away a lot to users.


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I have ad blockers, I block cookies, trackers, and even LSOs. I disable them for certain sites when I need to, and then immediately remove the trackers. There are plenty of extensions to enable this.

And I know that the ads pay the bills, but I have a slow connection and ads slow down page loading times.

I have about 3 miles of copper between me and the end of the fiber optics. That's the max for DSL. I have 3 choices for Internet:

1) Satellite - which is expensive, has latency, and from what I've read, the service isn't good here especially during the rainy season.

2) Cable TV. I called Comcast and they will not give me Internet without TV. I explained I haven't watched TV since the 1980s, and they just refused to give me Internet only. I don't want to pay an additional 600/year for something I'm not going to use.

3)DSL Lite from ATT. My neighbor works for ATT and has full-blown DSL for free, but tells me he rarely attains speeds faster than DSL Lite, and when he does, they aren't much faster at all.

So I have DSL Lite, which means even YouTube videos often stop to buffer during the playback.

It's the price for living in almost paradise. But right now paradise means hurricane. I've been through a dozen or more and I'm prepared.

One more thing; I download orders from my customers from my shopping cart. I do not download the credit card numbers, I let the bank and authorization companies take care of all that. There is no reason to store them on my computer and put my customers at risk. But when I download the orders, I do get their address and e-mail. It's on a secure connection, and I will remove them from my Internet computer and transfer them to a non-online computer.

I also remove my customers e-mail addresses from my e-mail app after they have been transferred.

I take my customer's security more seriously than I do my own (and I'm serious about mine). The less Google and others know about me, the less there is that can be exposed if a cracker/hacker invades Google or whoever else has my data.

Things are different on my phone.

I have active ear plugs. Etymotic Music Pro devices. They protect my ears while gigging at volumes of under 100db (stage volume is usually less than 90) but when the music is off, are transparent so I can hear what they guy in the middle of the room is trying to tell me.

They use hearing aid batteries. I searched on my phone (Android) for a good price on the batteries. For weeks I got ads for hearing aids, adult diapers, handicap toilets, pain medication, and all things you may need in a nursing home.

So I did some searches for music instruments and supplies, which didn't work as well as consumer music like mp3 downloads and CDs. At least the ads generated by this were relevant to my interests. One of my friends said I should have done searches for women's bikinis wink

And no, I don't connect my Android/Account, e-mail address, or phone number with my computer. The less they know about me means the less info a cracker/hacker can get - because sooner or later every big company has a data theft.

I'm not paranoid, just careful. The proverbial ounce of prevention.

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That's good and interesting advice. I've always thought the biggest threat of id theft isn't hackers, it's an insider. No amount of careful passwords and all the things you just mentioned will help if an insider at BOFA or wherever is able to walk out with a tiny thumbdrive with 25 million customers data on it. Or as has happened many times now, a government employee carelessly loses their laptop with all kinds of whatever on it. Or they're being watched and it gets stolen. For criminal gangs dealing with really big money, stealing critical laptops would be a pretty easy gig compared to drug dealing for example.

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I don't know whether insider theft is greater or lesser than hacker/cracker theft, but I do my best to avoid either.

I take precautions to protect my data on my computer, and I assume that the big companies take even more steps. I'm a small target, and there isn't that much they can get from me, so it's not worth a lot of time. Target, Google, Amazon, and other big targets can be worth a lot of trouble to get inside of. So an insider has a lot to gain, and an outsider has enough incentive to make it worth a lot of work to get inside.

The less they know about me, the better.

Once again, not paranoid, just exercising that ounce of prevention wherever I can.

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If you delete all cookies with a tool like CCleaner you will not find personalized ads -- most probably. As soon as you start to collect cookies sites will investigate these and provide you with information about other (or the same) products of this kind.

If you're a Firefox user install Lightbeam to see to whom you are connected when you open a site. More information is here: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/lightbeam/
If you're interested in the origins, then watch: http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers

(However, I do suspect that in the near future sites do not only put cookies on our drives but also store our IP data in a database to identify those nasty cookie deleters.)


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There are also LSO's (Flash Cookies) that are stored on your drive that a regular cookie cutter app doesn't delete.

Firefox (and I assume others) have a "better privacy" app that will let you delete them.

There is also a "Blur" extension that blocks trackers available for Firefox (and I also assume others).

Plus you can surf in the "Private" mode with most browsers.

This should reduce your tracks on the web, but I'm sure won't make you invisible.

I think for that you would need a VPN or Tor, but I haven't really investigated any of them.

I don't mind targeted ads, but since I deal with my customers, and I don't really know how much and what information is stored, I just figure the less they know about me also means the less they know about my customers.

I download the customer info without credit card numbers (my shopping cart gives me that option), I can remove their order from my cart's server, and once downloaded, I move their info to a computer that doesn't go on the net and encrypt them so in unlikely event that someone steals the computer, they still can't get my customers info. I also clear cookies, LSOs and close and reopen the browser before and after dealing with customer data.

I believe it is my responsibility to protect my customer's data more than even my own.

I also use Opera from time to time, don't like Edge yet, and won't use Chrome because Google makes a living by snooping.

I probably do 90% PC/Windows, but I don't like Mac's Safari either. More for personal preferences than any other reason.

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I remember seeing a question on a forum on getting IE running again on a user's computer. The tech explained how, and finished with the line: 'There, now you have the world's worst web browser working again'.
I did chuckle.


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I always avoided IE for two reasons (1) in the early days it was the least secure and (2) since it came on everybody's computer it was the cracker/hacker's prime target.


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