PG Music Home Forums General Discussion Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production Latency limits??

Index

Print Thread

Go To

Latency limits?? #392667 01/27/17 03:59 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058 W Wyndham OP Expert
OP Wyndham Expert W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058	In general, using computer based sounds/synths what is an acceptable MS latency number whether using BIAB live or other software. I'm trying to understand how different musicians play live with kb and programs like kontakt . From previous discussions, latency has been a major stumbling block for soom, even with asio and a current kb What am I missing or is there no issue and I'm just not up to speed on how to put a package together. Thanks Wyndham

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392672 01/27/17 04:43 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY	I'm not sure about live but I'll bet it is similar to recording latency. That is under 15 MS is OK for most people but for a few it should be under 10 MS. Latency should not be a problem with native ASIO if it is set up properly. I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392675 01/27/17 04:52 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058 W Wyndham OP Expert
OP Wyndham Expert W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058	Thanks live or recording would be the same performance issues. do you hear any delay at 15ms?

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392696 01/27/17 08:46 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Wyndham Thanks live or recording would be the same performance issues. do you hear any delay at 15ms? I do not hear any latency at 15 MS. I set my Roland Octa-Capture to the lowest setting I can without hearing any drop outs. It is normally set at 5.8 MS, however sometimes I have to increase it if I have a big load on it. If I'm playing back a lot of tracks and a lot of effects on those tracks then sometimes I have to increase the buffers, but as I am not recording during this stage it has no effect on latency. I hope this helps. I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392697 01/27/17 08:48 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA R rockstar_not Veteran
rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Originally Posted By: Wyndham Thanks live or recording would be the same performance issues. do you hear any delay at 15ms? I do. I set up my latency (buffer etc) to try to get under 7-10mS. Longer than that and it messes with my brain. If I find a plugin that can't tolerate that low of latency while I record, I give up on that plugin. Never performed out using plugins. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392714 01/27/17 11:54 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058 W Wyndham OP Expert
OP Wyndham Expert W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058	I'm getting up to speed on all this as not to go down too many rabbit holes, thanks

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392736 01/27/17 01:42 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,140 GA USA Janice & Bud Veteran
Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,140 GA USA	Are these CPU or RAM issues or both? RAM is relatively cheap nowadays. Just wondering. Bud J&B Videos J&B Soundcloud J&B Website

Re: Latency limits?? Janice & Bud #392738 01/27/17 01:52 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud Are these CPU or RAM issues or both? RAM is relatively cheap nowadays. Just wondering. Bud The answer is maybe, maybe and maybe, Here is an article describing 5 causes of latency and how to fix them: http://tweakheadz.com/latency/ I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Latency limits?? Janice & Bud #392739 01/27/17 01:57 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,656 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,656 Mi., USA	Many times, neither of them. Maybe something interrupting the system, stealing the driver, or a driver that just doesn't work in your system. For me, the Delta 1010 driver in it's last creation doesn't work for me when it does for others. I had to revert back one version to find joy. Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome

Re: Latency limits?? rockstar_not #392741 01/27/17 02:04 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,942 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: rockstar_not Originally Posted By: Wyndham Thanks live or recording would be the same performance issues. do you hear any delay at 15ms? I do. I set up my latency (buffer etc) to try to get under 7-10mS. Longer than that and it messes with my brain. If I find a plugin that can't tolerate that low of latency while I record, I give up on that plugin. Never performed out using plugins. I'm going to have to test myself. I have been running at 5.8 MS so long that maybe I forgot at what MS I hear latency. I do believe that 15 MS is the rule of thumb though. Wyndham, rockstar not brings up a very important point in that you should never perform out using plugins. Look ahead plugins like compressors, limiters, etc wil cause latency. In fact if I have some of those effects on tracks and the decide to record another track I have to turn off all of my plugins to stop latency. I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Latency limits?? MarioD #392752 01/27/17 03:30 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,140 GA USA Janice & Bud Veteran
Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,140 GA USA	Originally Posted By: MarioD Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud Are these CPU or RAM issues or both? RAM is relatively cheap nowadays. Just wondering. Bud The answer is maybe, maybe and maybe, Here is an article describing 5 causes of latency and how to fix them: http://tweakheadz.com/latency/ Guess I'm lucky with my simple set up. I use a Focusrite Scarlett USB interface for one or two mics running into Logic Pro X on my iMac. Often times I'll have 2-3 effects on each track running separate instances of each one. On rare occasions we experience a latency issue but a couple of tweaks to a Logic specific latency screen always fixes it. I'm running 20g RAM so perhaps that helps. Dunno. Above my pay grade. Bud J&B Videos J&B Soundcloud J&B Website

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392817 01/28/17 03:14 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,351 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,351 Middlesex, NC	The drunker your audience, the less they will notice. But generally, 10ms is what you should be looking for. Sound travels about 1 foot per millisecond, so that's about what you get on stage with a live band.... it could be more but generally 10ms is acceptable. Our band had some wireless gear and we soon learned that there are practical limits to how far out front you need to go. (unless you are using IEMs) A good ASIO setup should net you under 10ms without any issues. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Latency limits?? Wyndham #392835 01/28/17 06:13 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058 W Wyndham OP Expert
OP Wyndham Expert W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,058	I'd forgotten the 1ft/ms, glad you mentioned it. thanks

Go To

Moderated by Andrew - PG Music, Blake - PG Music, Callie - PG Music, Catherine, PeterGannon, pgmoderation

Link Copied to Clipboard

ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News

May 17, 2024

Happy Victoria Day! (Monday, May 20th)

We are celebrating Victoria Day on Monday, May 20th!

Our availability through this long weekend is:

Saturday, May 18: Closed
Sunday, May 19: Closed
Monday, May 22: 6am-6pm PT

www.pgmusic.com/contact.htm

May 10, 2024

Henry Clarke: Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function

One of the new features added with Band-in-Box® 2024 is the Tracks Window, which will look familiar if you've worked with other DAWs.

Henry Clarke explains why he loves the Re-generation function within the Tracks Window in their video Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function.

Watch video.

Learn even more about what the Tracks Window can do with our video Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Tracks Window.

April 25, 2024

User Video: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®

The Bob Doyle Media YouTube channel is known for demonstrating how you can creatively incorporate AI into your projects - from your song projects to avatar building to face swapping, and more!

His latest video, Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box, he explains in detail how you can use the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box with ACE Studio. Follow along as he goes from "nothing" to "something" with his Band-in-a-Box MIDI Melodist track, using ACE Studio to turn it into a vocal track (or tracks, you'll see) by adding lyrics for those notes that will trigger some amazing AI vocals!

Watch: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box

April 25, 2024

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!

Band-in-a-Box^® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!

Paket | Was ist Neu

April 12, 2024

Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!

Add updated printing options, enhanced tracks settings, smoother use of MGU and SGU (BB files) within PowerTracks, and more with the latest PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 update!

Learn more about this free update for PowerTracks Pro Audio & download it at www.pgmusic.com/support_windows_pt.htm#2024_5

April 09, 2024

The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!

The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!

Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.

This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245

April 05, 2024

The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option

Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!

Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!

For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

More News