You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#200924 - 04/16/13 07:44 PM [User Showcase] Honk if You Love Jesus
Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Ian Ferrin Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
This is my absolute first BIAB tune. I'm a 'seasoned' musician but am an utter BIAB newbie. I'm really interested to know what you would have done different with BIAB?

All the tracks are 100% BIAB except the piano and vocals. I rendered the tracks separately from BIAB and mixed (and recorded the piano and vocals) in cakewalk sonar.

I'm pretty good about repaying critiques. I enjoy listening critically to stuff as it seems to help me as well as you. So if you're not interested in constructive feedback, please let me know!
Thanks!


Honk if You Love Jesus (at soundclick)

Lyrics by Nathan A. Baker
Vocals, Piano, Arranged and Produced by Ian Ferrin

Verse 1
Judi was a tree hugger
She had brown eyes and auburn hair
Drove a vintage Volkswagen camper
It was slow but it got her there
Her van covered in bumper stickers
Psychedelic art and sayings grand
She and a guitar picker
Set off to see the land

Chorus
“Kindness makes a difference”
“Think before you speak”
“Honk if you love Jesus”
“Let’s clean up Copper Creek”

Verse 2
A few hundred miles a day
Between strip malls parking lots
Traveling on what they made
Busking in the market spots
They ate at road side diners
Tasted their way west
Guitar pickers like cheddar
Judi liked Gouda best

Repeat Chorus

Bridge
They worked away their summer
Hauled old tires, pop cans and trash
If love was a raging fire
Judi’s heart would have been ash
For twenty years she saved the forest
And became that guitar picker’s wife
Twenty years of conquest
Until a sudden totally unexpected and
random and crazy sicknesss...
took her life

Repeat Chorus

“Honk if you love Jesus”
“Let’s clean up Copper Creek”


Copyright 2013 Baker and Ferrin
_________________________
My main soundclick page

Top
#200925 - 04/16/13 10:50 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Ian Ferrin]
Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
PgFantastic Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 2646
Loc: Kentucky
HONK, HONK, Superb inaugural BIAB tune. Look forward to hearing more!
_________________________
My Tunes

Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.

Top
#200926 - 04/17/13 03:51 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: PgFantastic]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 14105
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 14105
Loc: Australia
Hi Ian,

I agree with Robert. what a superb inaugral tune. The arrangement and mix have a very professional sound.

I'm perfectly comfortable with giving (and receiving) constructive feedback and, if I could offer anything of value in this instance, I'd do it without hesitation. Within the scope of my hearing, there's nothing that I'd change musically at all. You've got it right as far as I'm concerned!

All the best,
Noel
_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#200927 - 04/17/13 04:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1561
Loc: WEST MIDLANDS, UK
sixchannel Online   content
Expert

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 1561
Loc: WEST MIDLANDS, UK
Hi Ian
welcome to the Showcase. I'm a bit of a Newbie here too - scarey isn't it.
I just love the total variety of music that our Showcase presents. You don't have to like it all but you can't fail to be impressed with what folks can do with BIAB / RT.
Excellent song although I was a bit saddened by the last two lines of the bridge - kinda took the "happiness" out of it and left me feeling a bit down after being quite UP there with the words and the thoughts. Just my opinion.
The BIAB choice of instruments is great and that Piano, standing forward of the others, is just SO right. (Dunno why, it reminded me juts a tiny bit of Joshua Kadison's style with "Jessie". But this is top class in in its own right.)
Some of us post up the Instruments chosen for the BIAB mix - see my post below or many others. That way WE can learn how certain tracks go together.
Looking forward to more.
cheers
Ian (another one!)
_________________________
Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was!

BB2019Plus,604,RB2,Cakewalk GTPro2(2003),Adobe Audition1.5(2003),WindowsXPPro and Win7

http://app.box.com/s/p7lirbbuvjae03dsd4v5

for tracks that use BIAB specifically-
http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel

Top
#200928 - 04/17/13 10:55 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: sixchannel]
Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 6472
Loc: Florida
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 6472
Loc: Florida
Ian,

Welcome to the forum!

A truly enjoyable song. An interesting, intelligent lyric - and a wonderful story. Loved how the chorus was simply "bumper stickers" - that was a great idea and worked surprisingly well. Tell Nathan "great job".

The production is top-notch. The muted electric against your piano works really well. A very full sound without being over-done. Everything sits right where it should be. And your vocal is cool - a great sound.

One thing (since you asked...). Just a touch of electric lead would be nice. In between chorus and verse. Perhaps behind the chorus as well. To "balance" that very nice piano. To take the focus off the piano for just a moment - and then the piano would "grab you" again. Maybe one of the PopPromise leads or one of Brent's - not overdone - a spinkle here and there. (After all, Judi took up with a guitar picker).

Great stuff. Truly.. looking forward to much more!

floyd
_________________________
125+ BIAB Songs

Top
#200929 - 04/17/13 12:17 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: floyd jane]
Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Ian Ferrin Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Robert, Noel, Ian and Floyd,

Thanks very much guys for the props! Very much appreciated.

Ian - All the instruments are the default instruments in the "praise shining" real set (I think that's what it was called) I didn't change anything. I actually rendered out a fiddle track and a resonator guitar track, but didn't use them. IMO this tune is pretty solidly in the pop-country category even though I didn't use any overtly country sounds. I was thinking I'd "countrify" it, but I liked it with the more pop oriented sounds so I just left it as is. If this tune catches on at all, I might do a more countrified remix.

Floyd - I like that idea of a lead guitar. I don't know if you noticed but the piano plays the same melody in the intro, interlude and ending. If I were to put a lead guitar in there, it would have to play that same melody. How difficult is that to accomplish in BIAB? Can you make one of the 'real' BIAB players track a midi melody or would I have to use a midi track?

Thanks for the helpful feedback!

Peace,

Ian
_________________________
My main soundclick page

Top
#200930 - 04/17/13 03:26 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Ian Ferrin]
Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 534
Loc: Grand Junction, Colorado USA
Achordocaster Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 534
Loc: Grand Junction, Colorado USA
Hey Ian,

Welcome to the forum,
I liked this. Good vocals and production. For some reason I hear this song as a track for a musical.
I agree with Floyd about the guitar part.
In my opinion an excellent first BIAB tune!

Check out my most recent song "Walk In The Light". It's a little ways down on the list.

Greg

Top
#200931 - 04/17/13 07:18 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Achordocaster]
Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2868
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
boehm Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/22/12
Posts: 2868
Loc: Karlsruhe, Germany
Hi Ian,

very clever lyrics.
And good piano and arrangement.

Guenter

Top
#200932 - 04/17/13 08:59 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: boehm]
Registered: 06/17/10
Posts: 1667
Loc: Canyon Lake, TX
Steve Young Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/17/10
Posts: 1667
Loc: Canyon Lake, TX
Ian,

Clever and well done. I agree with Floyd, impressive use of the bumper stickers. Not much to add to the other comments. Nice song. Enjoyed it.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

Steve
_________________________
Steve Young
Music
"In order to compose, all you need to do is remember a tune that nobody else has thought of." - Robert Schumann

Top
#200933 - 04/18/13 04:52 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Steve Young]
Registered: 01/14/13
Posts: 90
Phil Babylon Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 01/14/13
Posts: 90
Hi,
I think this is one great song. The vocal timing is good - it really emphasises the meaning.

The mix is good.

If I had one constructive criticism I would change the title! Since the line “Let’s clean up Copper Creek” is the final line of the chorus, I'd use that. You make the point on the site that the song is a love of life, not a religious tune, and “Let’s clean up Copper Creek” I think invites a listener in more.

I haven't posted that much original stuff yet but I more than welcome constructive criticism.

Best wishes

Top
#200934 - 04/18/13 08:34 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Phil Babylon]
Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 6472
Loc: Florida
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 6472
Loc: Florida
Ian,

I certainly understand your intent - going for a signature lick with the opening melody. Always a great idea. In this case, you need to "change something" for that to work. Don't get me wrong... the playing is stellar... but...

I missed "the lick" (melody) when I listened (entirely) - and I listened several times because I enjoyed the song so much. So "the lick" lacked the punch it needed to make it recognizable (that "The Way It Is" lick/punch - I assume is what you are after).

So... (imo) you need to somehow "add some punch" to that "lick" or find something different - like an electric lead (which would be my choice - for the reasons stated before). Again... the piano is GREAT - I just feel that it would be nice to have attention drawn away from it for a moment to truly enjoy it when it returns...

You cannot make the RealTracks play something specific (you can use midi for that, with an outside sound source - I'm not a "midi-guy"). You have to work "the other direction". Generate tracks until you hit on a lick that would work as a signature and use that (cut n paste) wherever you need it. (Apparently, from feedback, I need to go find one of my own for my current post...)

floyd
_________________________
125+ BIAB Songs

Top
#200935 - 04/18/13 08:54 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: floyd jane]
Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 6450
Loc: GA USA
Janice & Bud Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 6450
Loc: GA USA
It's been said....but I really like the chorus made up of the stickers, the mix, the overall production and the vocal. I came from the 60's VW era and your imagery is great.

Regarding how to make a RealTrack work with the melody my approach is to continue to regenerate tracks until I get one that is melodic "enough" to complement the melody lick/vocal or at the least not distract from it. Some times I will create another SGU file with just the measures for which I'm interested in and regenerate the RealTrack many times and then transfer them to my DAW where I'll paste up the licks that I like in my primary track. Often if I hit on a good signature lick I'll use it several times in the song. It's really impressive as to how many variations can be generated from one RealTrack.

Welcome and thanks for posting.
_________________________
Never grow up...it's a trap.
Our 2018 album release
J&B YouTube Sampler
J&B Website

Top
#200936 - 04/18/13 09:19 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Janice & Bud]
Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Ian Ferrin Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Greg, Guenter and Steve - Thanks very much and thanks for checking out the tune!

Phil - I originally thought the same thing as you about the title, but it's grown on me. The 'hook' melody is, at least, intended to be "kindness makes a difference" which is then pretty much repeated with "honk if you love Jesus". "Honk if you love Jesus" is by far the most 'real' and classic of the bumper sticker slogans. Also it has the hook melody. I get what you're saying, the only even slightly religious bit in the song is that one line, but in a way it kind of gives it an edge. IMO the only other real alternative is "Kindness makes a difference" and that just doesn't have much of a ring to it IMO. Plus - Nathan would have to be on board with it and I have a feeling he likes the Jesus line.

Floyd and Mootsman - Thanks for the good info on using realtracks for a melody part. You got me thinking. Floyd - I purposefully didn't mix the piano out front. The melody I'm playing is basically the 'kindness makes a difference' melody. It's OK w/ me if it's kinda subliminal and not all that noticeable. IE 'under the top'...

I still get what you're saying. I'm thinking about it...

Thanks guys!

Ian
_________________________
My main soundclick page

Top
#200937 - 04/18/13 11:17 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Ian Ferrin]
Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 4318
Sundance Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 4318
Welcome to the Users Showcase Ian. Nice first post. I also liked the bumper sticker chorus. Enjoyed your vocal too.

Quote:

I was a bit saddened by the last two lines of the bridge - kinda took the "happiness" out of it and left me feeling a bit down after being quite UP there with the words and the thoughts




I had the ssme reaction as the other Ian. Not saying that's good or bad just how it made me feel. I'm assuming you wrote it with that emotional effect in mind.

You can use the generate riffs feature also to find musical phrases.

Top
#200938 - 04/19/13 01:42 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Sundance]
Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Ian Ferrin Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Thanks Josie,

This is Nathan's lyric. I like it though. He actually had her dying of cancer. He initially said the 'C' word which I wasn't to excited about....

I sorta feel the same as you, but I dunno any kind of story arc that'd work better?

Peace,

Ian
_________________________
My main soundclick page

Top
#200939 - 04/21/13 11:19 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Ian Ferrin]
Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 484
RickeG Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 484
Welcome Ian,
You could not have picked a better product, or family, to build your writing repetoire with.

On that thought, it was a lot of fun working with BIAB isn't it? You get to pull out instrumentalists that may not be in your reach and create a sound that is beyond what a single songwriter can build.

For me, every song is a new song. There are so many genres and styles to this product that I want every song to reflect something different than the last. Hence, it is a new experience every time. I want to encourage you to do the same. Explore the many avenues that come with BIAB. It will get you to think (and write) outside of the box. Then, a year from now, you can look back on all the recordings that led up to where you are and be amazed as to how much you learned.

The folks here on the board will give you all the feedback to tweak things as you go. It will make you better! In the past few years I have seen a lot of people here improve tremodously. After being away for a while, I am amazed as I listen to some of the folks out there and the developments that have been made.

For the song, I would pull back the voice & keys to balance with the rest of the band. How I do it is, I turn the master track down to the lowest possible volume. And I listen for what jumps out and what is lost. I modify to taste. Then, I master it in a DAW that helps enhance overall sound and it is ready to go!

Hope that helps.

Cheers!
RickeG

P.S. HONK!! HONK!!! HONK!!!


Edited by RickeG (04/21/13 11:19 PM)

Top
#200940 - 04/23/13 06:09 AM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: RickeG]
Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Ian Ferrin Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/21/13
Posts: 82
Loc: Suburban Stucco Tract House - ...
Thanks Ricke,

I really appreciate the critical feedback. I ALWAYS want to know what people are hearing.

I basically agree w/ you about the vocal level. What I did was after I'd mixed the tune, I used ozone and compared sound (a-b-c) in my 3 sets of speakers. I got something that sounded decent in all three speakers but ozone boosted the mids where my voice lies and essentially made my voice louder.

On the other hand I think of this as a country tune and I'm not sure my mix has a louder voc than many country mixes? To my ears, country has considerably louder vocal mixes than some other genres?

Nevertheless, I'll pay close attention to the vocal level if I remix.

Thanks!

Ian
_________________________
My main soundclick page

Top
#200941 - 04/24/13 10:09 PM [User Showcase] Re: Honk if You Love Jesus [Re: Ian Ferrin]
Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 484
RickeG Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 484
I never really caught that before about country music. Interesing. Next time I listen to a country genre I will keep my ear out. It almost makes sense as historically the emphasis was on the lyrics hence the vocalist. Normally, when I think of country the songs that come to my mind are from bands like Diamond Rio, Restless Heart, Roy Clark, Alabama, & some Brooks and Dunn. Yeah, I am out of touch! I admit it!

Top


PG Music News
Notation Enhancements in Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows!

There are Notation Enhancements in the NEW Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows! These include:
•A new button in the Print Options dialog which lets you quickly print a "chords only" fake sheet. You can also access this from the right-click menu on the chord sheet.
•A new track type (Drums) is now available for The Melody and Soloist tracks.
•Clicking close to a stave line will put a note on the stave line instead of between stave lines. (Previously, you had to click extremely close to a stave line to insert a note on The line.)
•Double-clicking on the Standard mode Notation window (or on the time line in Editable or Staff Roll mode) plays the song from the current time location. Previously, it played the song from the beginning of the current bar.
•Holding down the [Ctrl] key and pressing the zoom in/out buttons results in finest possible incremental adjustment in size.
•In The Notation Windows Options dialog, The clefs split point asterisk indicates that C5* is middle C.
•Pressing The space bar plays the song from the current time location, not the current bar.
•The clefs split point can be set by the spin controls.
•The right-click menu in the Editable or Staff Roll mode Notation window has an option to change the current beat resolution. Previously, the only way to do this was to right-click on the time line.
•There's a keystroke entry notation mode - the 'N' mode, which lets you enter a melody entirely using keystrokes. The keystrokes are N to enter a note, up/down cursor to change its pitch, and left/right cursor to move the time line.
•You can now edit any track in the Event List Editor. When The dialog opens, it will show you the MIDI data in the current Notation track.
•You can quickly enter forced accidentals from the right-click menu.

We talk about these new features within our Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows®! New Features, RealTracks, and other content! video:
25:45 - New Features: Easy Entering of Notation with the 'N' Key
36:48 - Change Beat Resolution From the Right-Click Menu
37:15 - Easier Entry of Notes on Lines
37:42 - Asterisk to Indicate Middle C on & Spin Controls
37:53 - Force Accidental from the Right-Click Menu
38:01 - Edit Any Track in the Event List
38:09 - Keystroke Note Entry Mode 'N' for Faster Note Entry
38:28 - Print Chords Only Fake Sheet
38:32 - More Control of Notation Size

Rather read about it?
-Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® Upgrade Manual
-New Feature Summary - Notation Enhancements

The New Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows SongPicker!

With Band-in-a-Box® 2019, the SongPicker has been redesigned!
-The completely redesigned window shows information for up to 50,000 songs.
-The song list build is much faster. Approximately 150 songs get added per second.
-A progress bar will appear if the song list build takes longer than 3 seconds.
-You can see the chord progression for the selected song in the list. You can copy and paste it to a text file.
-Many filters are available. You can filter the list by subfolders, genre, feel, time signature, style, songs with melody, soloist, lyrics, key signature, tempo range, and the year of file dates.
-You can search songs that have similar chord progressions and/or melody fragments.
-Hotkey! ss+enter opens the SongPicker, ss2+enter opens the Recently Played Songs, etc.

Learn more about the updates with our New Features Video - we've made it easy to find the section you'll need:
2:55 - New Feature: Redesigned SongPicker
21:58 - New Features: SongPicker Enhancements
41:10 - Now Over 10,600 Titles in SongPicker

You can also read all about the new SongPicker within our Online Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® Upgrade Manual.

RealBand 2019 Online and PDF Manuals Available!

Visit our Online Manuals support page for access to the latest RealBand 2019 for Windows program manuals!

RealBand 2019 for Windows User's Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download
RealBand 2019 for Windows New Features Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download

RealBand 2019 is included in every purchase of Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows! We're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Upgrade purchases until December 31, 2018 - save over 40% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade! Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Online and PDF Manuals Available!

Visit our Online Manuals support page for access to the latest Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows program manuals!

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows User's Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download
Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade Manual: Online Manual | PDF Download

Don't forget.... We're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Upgrade purchases until December 31, 2018 - save over 40% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade! Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 on a USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Speed Thrills!

We're excited to say that all Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows UltraPAK and UltraPAK+ orders now ship on a USB 3.0 hard drive!

What does this mean? Faster hard drive transfer rates will enhance the program operations (faster time to generate tracks, reduced audio artifacts) and offer faster transfer speeds (typically up to 3x faster)!

It's a great time to order your UltraPAK or UltraPAK+ Upgrade... they're ON SALE until December 31st!

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® New Features!

Our "Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows®! New Features, RealTracks, and other content!" video is now ready! Get to know all about the newest features in Band-in-a-Box® 2019: Click here to watch...

We have listed a table of contents for this video, you'll see it within the YouTube video description, or by visiting this forum post.

RealBand 2019 - A New Look!

Have you opened up your RealBand 2019 yet? You may notice that we've given it a fresh new look! In fact, there are now 3 different looks to RealBand.

See for yourself! Within the program, visit Options | Icon Set and choose from: Classic, Modern 1, or Modern 2.

Forum Stats
28440 Members
58 Forums
55252 Topics
460225 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
BBMaestro, truffaldino, JuliaHolmes, wellington, wetzelbuddyspear

28439 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Matt Finley 362
Pipeline 329
jford 259
Noel96 247
VideoTrack 230
PeterGannon 204
Al-David 160
fiddler2007 133
dcuny 119
Jim Fogle 119
Today's Birthdays
cvs287