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I have seen this posted way back,when I was going through the old postings on the forum.
So why on earth does Peter Gannon not see the postings and post a reply like he does for other subjects/posts now and again.
My take is you only need to look at the forum users, we are all of a certain age and so are the owners.
I don't think biab will ever get bought up by a company like Yamaha etc.
So its like an old piece of hi fi equipment, or musical equipment and you need to decide how many times do you keep repairing it or move to new modern equivalent.
Or is it worth replacing because ill be not needing it shortly.
Just my Take on this. No warriors please.
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No 64 bit. Leave it as it is.
BUT develop a VSTi version that would work in my DAW. Or as a Kontakt add-on. Reuse NONE of the existing codebase for the VSTi. Rewrite everything. Hire new people with the relevant experience or contract them. Keep all the RealTracks but give the VSTi a ready to use interface that autogenerates a full song AND incorporates the ability for me to pick and choose every available riff on a bar by bar basis. Drop about 90% of BIAB functionality and features. Just give us the RealTracks. No mixer...no reverb...no metronome...no videotracks...nothing already available in the DAW...only RealTracks and the features to select and manipulate them.
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Bottom line is that eventually it is going to happen. Not sure when but there will come a day when many of the BIAB users will own machines and OS's that will not run 32bit applications. The choice is that the software owner will have to either update the program or eventually just go out of business. I bought my 1st computer back in 1980 and even then I remember when 32bit finally arrived there were pundits saying that Intel and Microsoft will never drop support for 16bit apps because there are just to many of them out there. Now they don't even show up in the rear-view mirror. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/intel-to-kill-off-the-last-vestiges-of-the-ancient-pc-bios-by-2020/
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Very interesting read and not to far away either.
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My take, right or wrong, on this is that BiaB now has some competition. They are not as sophisticated as BiaB YET but they soon will be IMHO. This gives those of us that use MIDI and loops choices to make. If the MIDI competition gets up to BiaB and PGMusic insists on staying 32 bit then I will keep my BiaB for the RTs but jump off the sinking 32 bit Titanic. YMMV.
Note that I didn't mention RB. I don't use it so I have no idea how it competes with other free or inexpensive DAWs. Personally I don't like it at all but others use it to perfection. To each his own.
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BiaB now has some competition.
What program would you go to Mario.
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For MIDI I love RapidComposer. It has tons of cool features for generating tracks in MIDI.
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CoolBreeze...
about the people "who I do not know nothing about"
I do not have to know them to see what they do.
For example if lets say you have a plumbing leak and you hire a plumber. While you are not at home your spouse lets plumber in, he puts a roll of duct tape over the leak. Does it mean he "fixed" it? You can say that... Is he a good plumber?
I think function wise BIAB is a fantastic program, but how those functions are implemented into design is just a nohow.
I would ask you was your leak fixed, and if your spouse was satisfied with it, then I would say that's a good plumber. You know a plumber that's good at a lot of things if you catch my drift. Sort of like thing beat up old program we talking about here. I'm with you on that there really is no excuse for it, but that is how they roll. By all means give it to them straight, so that they get some good feedback. Thanks for your reply!
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The writing's been on the wall. I was just thinking of this the other day, when I realized I wasn't using RB as much. You have other DAWs that shift audio and midi, so RT's are so old school now.
They don't realize it and/or somebody's sleeping on the j-o-b. I can technically now do in a DAW what I was doing in RB. The real tracks are their bread and butter, and they should be.
They kind of p-footing around with it, when they should be selling the Real Tracks online via a VSTi. imho
Like someone else mentions, they don't need the entire program, but instead only a subset of it that links to Real Tracks. It could be simple at first, but the key thing would be to sell people new tracks. You know maybe even set up a marketplace so that users could sell tracks ... and PG gets a cut?
I think that is the key to really make the brand shine in the eyes of the people. It's kind of joke because they don't really know about it, but if they knew that real notable musicians are behind the tracks, you the could ask a premium price for some of them. /js
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Like someone else mentions, they don't need the entire program, but instead only a subset of it that links to Real Tracks. It could be simple at first, but the key thing would be to sell people new tracks. You know maybe even set up a marketplace so that users could sell tracks ... and PG gets a cut?
I think that is the key to really make the brand shine in the eyes of the people. It's kind of joke because they don't really know about it, but if they knew that real notable musicians are behind the tracks, you the could ask a premium price for some of them. /js Anyone that wants to can create and give away or sell UserTracks. Also, PG Music identifies RealTracks musicians and even includes links to the artist website. PG Music doesn't display at every NAMM show but when they do attend RealTracks artists generally have a big presence. Just look at the photos from the last NAMM in Nashville.
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I support making BIAB available in 64-bit, particularly on Mac because it's likely that OS will require it before Windows does. I also support the idea of making a VST3 that calls up RealTracks. But please don't think that RealTracks is all BIAB is about. Plenty of folks including me use the MIDI features of BIAB. And as a composer, I wouldn't even think of starting a new song in a DAW.
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I don't even know a daw where you can put the chords in and press play.
My days before biab was the software acid and raw samples, you had to align, transpose, each wav sample, and that was after trying to find the key of the original sample, took ages just to get ONE decent track done and running smoothly.
Then start again for next track and so forth.
Some of the samples like gorgeous piano back then had each sample marked with the key but most did not, if I remember I paid 80.00 for them.
Biab yes 64 bit, and more modern product, like a vsti, But I don't think it deserves some of the postings above.
My take only.
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I suspect the problem is that the core coded (which I understand is Delphi (Pascal) based) is rooted in the 16-bit origins of BIAB, which along the way were converted to 32-bit (and even then, there were components that were left at 16-bit initially). From what little research I've done (out of curiosity, not as a programmer), most of the problems with then converting to 64-bit are pointer related, and the "size of" returned values. Embarcadero provides guidelines on converting to 64-bit : http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Tokyo/en/Converting_32-bit_Delphi_Applications_to_64-bit_Windowsand I suspect they've probably tried this, but the returned errors are probably massive. And rewriting from scratch in a different language with all features intact is really going to result a version 1.0 program that will probably be extremely buggy. I remember when Finale went to 64-bit, the posted a number of features that would not be available (at least initially) because of the conversion requirements. I don't know that all the features need to move into a 64-bit version - I mean, how many people are really running "Pitch Invasion" or "Music Replay" on a regular basis? I want to see a 64-bit version of BIAB (and RealBand) as much as anyone), but I suspect getting there is a heavy lift for a relatively small company. That being said, I bet there could be a dedicated group of volunteers to test nightly builds of buggy 64-bit software in order to get there.
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BiaB now has some competition.
What program would you go to Mario. As of right now I have not thoroughly investigated any. Rapid Composer was mentioned so I will investigate that one. But right now I doubt that I will leave BiaB.
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Yes I was looking at Rapid composer, I am not that long using Biab so I am staying put as I can do the things I want to get done.
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We may have to slow down on this forum as the last one Not Buying Another Upgrade Until BIAB is 64 Bit. was closed after nearly 50,000 hits...but the saga continues..... YES ! RapidComposer have a look in the Tips n Tricks forum for guides using RapidComposer with BB or RB and as a VSTi.
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I don't know that all the features need to move into a 64-bit version - I mean, how many people are really running "Pitch Invasion" or "Music Replay" on a regular basis? If I had to guess I'd say zero! These are two good examples of "features" that could and should be left behind in any rewrite.
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There actually is a Mario sequencer https://flyx.org/projects/ams/I couldn't pass up the competition
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I was going to bring this one up but I didn't want to come off as a bragger!
I want my last spoken words to be "I hid a million dollars under the........................"
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