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Hi Dave, Yep, you're getting there. I picked up a heap more words this time. Your sense of prosody, matching syllable emphasis to musical note emphasis is excellent! In case this is useful.... I'm not sure what's causing it but there are still many audio artifacts in the music stream. What were the specifics of the file you uploaded to Soundcloud (e.g. mp3 96 kbps, wma 128 kbps, or something else)? To my ears, it sounds like the audio has been converted to lower quality audio somewhere along the road before getting to the audio that was uploaded. It's an interesting journey you're on! So that you can hear what I mean by 'artifacts', have a listen to how crystal-clear this mix by floyd jane is... https://soundcloud.com/floydjane/a-little-bit-of-thisRegards, Noel
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Hi Noel;
Thanks for the input! I see what you mean about "audio artifacts" I'm hearing it too now. I think it has more to do with inferior equipment than anything else. I Also noticed that Soundcloud has been using LANDR on some of my files causing them to sound weak. I tried upping my bits from 16 to 24/44.1 kps, wav- to see if there is any improvement. On my end, it sounds much better. I'm thinking there may be an other issue (other than my mixing abilities =) But this is the fun in it right!
When you go to the Doctor, he can't do much to help you unless you tell him what's wrong!
I appreciate your help striving for excellence...
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Hi Jim:
Thanks for your help! It's not the destination, it's the journey... I really appreciate the help you folks are giving me.
Thanks again,
Dave
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So that you can hear what I mean by 'artifacts', have a listen to how crystal-clear this mix by floyd jane is Is there a missing link? Thanks, Jim. All fixed up now. Regards, Noel
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Dave,
I suspect that increasing the bit depth from 16 to 24 could be part of the reason that artifacts are creeping in.
Because BIAB tracks are 16/44.1, increasing them to 24 bits requires some mathematical wizardry because there isn't an exact match between 16 and 24 (by comparison, 16 to 32 bit matches exactly). After the 16-to-24 conversion, when you upload the 24/44.1 to Soundcloud, they'll compress it to mp3 16 bit at 128 kbps. The end result is that the audio file gets 'fiddled' with twice - one expansion and one compression (this doubling could compound the artifact problem).
It would be worth your while uploading the following...
1. Render a test wav file of the backing directly from BIAB (saving it as 44.1/16 if asked).
2. Upload that file to Soundcloud.
Does this make a difference?
Once the test is run, delete the file from Soundcloud.
Regards,
Noel
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Also, please go to: https://soundcloud.com/davebrooksmusicfactoryHP Pavilion p6-2330; 1T; GB: 22; AMD Processor; Focusrite Scarlett Solo; Line mixer: Seismic Landsland-12p; DAW's: BIAB, Pro Tools 2018.8.1 HD; Wave Pad Sound Editor.
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Hey Noel, Try this one on for size. It may have too much verb on the vocals but I thought it help with enunciation!
Thanks again Dave.
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Dave,
Do I need a link? I might be missing something but the link in your signature doesn't seem to get me to the file.
Regards,
Noel
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Also, please go to: https://soundcloud.com/davebrooksmusicfactoryHP Pavilion p6-2330; 1T; GB: 22; AMD Processor; Focusrite Scarlett Solo; Line mixer: Seismic Landsland-12p; DAW's: BIAB, Pro Tools 2018.8.1 HD; Wave Pad Sound Editor.
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Dave,
I can now hear all the words! You've definitely nailed the balance between vocals and backing.
I suspect that the version of the song that you are listening to is much better audio quality than the one that I'm hearing on Soundcloud. If you can be bothered, it would be worth the time trying to work out what is causing the uploaded file to lose so much audio quality from the original BIAB tracks.
Clever lyrics!
All the best,
Noel
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HAAAAAAAHHH!!!
Kinda muddy huh??? =D
Yeah, give me a day or so to fix it. I should clean my home studio up more often, I found a focusrite audio device buried under some boxes. I'm having fun learning how to use it!!!
You know when I wrote this song back in 2010, I did it as a goof because of an old friend's political views!!! You have no idea how much I dislike this song (LOL). I pray it doesn't become famous!!! =D
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Also, please go to: https://soundcloud.com/davebrooksmusicfactoryHP Pavilion p6-2330; 1T; GB: 22; AMD Processor; Focusrite Scarlett Solo; Line mixer: Seismic Landsland-12p; DAW's: BIAB, Pro Tools 2018.8.1 HD; Wave Pad Sound Editor.
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Dave,
I don't know what you are doing to the audio prior to getting it to Soundcloud but with the stream I'm hearing, the sound is about 50% of the quality of the sound of the Realtracks that you used to create it.
I'm not sure what you mean about Soundcloud and LANDR. Are you using lANDR prior to uploading the file? I've been using Soundcloud for years and my streaming files pretty much always parallel the sound in BIAB (just a slight reduction in quality). By comparison, the instrumental audio on what I'm hearing with your song is significantly reduced in quality.
If you give me a step by step outline as to how your create and render the file, I'll be able to get some ideas about where issues may be arising.
Regards,
Noel
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Hi Noel,
Thanks for your response. I did a back track on my processing steps and I think I may have found the problem. Question: Do you have the problem with my other SC tracks? I think it may be some additional software I'm using on my tracks. I replace the other most recent track about 10 minutes ago w/o the added software. I you find no change I may have to look at something else. I've played these tracks on my cell phone, head phones, car stereo, CD player and computer and they all sound fine. I've tried another computer and internet connection on SC and found no problems. Please let you know if you are having the same problems. I've not heard other complaints...yet! Heck I could have a virus or something...
Let me know!!! Thanks Dave!
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Dave, At the end of the day, if it works for you, then that's all that matters. I notice that your songs are really highly compressed/limited. I wonder if that's what I'm hearing? I don't use all that much compression as a general rule so my ears might be sensitive to it. I'm at the limit of my production ability now. I've used up all my suggestions! Someone more experienced will need to pop in and offer some thoughts. All the best with your next song  Regards, Noel
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Hi Noel;
I think I found my sound problem: I recently noticed that Soundcloud has a variation in Bandwith (I presume during high pike usage during the day). I signed on and played the song in question (CS) and noticed that it was very one dimensional and flat as a penny other songs as well. In fact it sounded worst than a bad mp3. So, I waited to later that evening, 10pm EST (US) and discovered all my files were louder, crisper, properly timed, and 3D as all get out. So , now if I want to listen, I just wait until after 10pm and there's no problems. At first I thought it was my ISP , but that wouldn't explain why you guys were hearing what you heard. Any thoughts Apollo Bay??? =D
All the best in real time,
Dave
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Dave,
I'm not aware of Soundcloud using different streaming bandwidths. My songs always sound the same whatever time of day or night I listen to them.
When I listen to this recording, the drums sound excellent. The instrument and vocals are not the same quality. This leads me to think that it might be something you are doing do vocals and instruments that you don't do to the drums.
With the other song you posted, the instruments sound excellent. This song doesn't have the same quality.
Hope that gives you something to work with.
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Hi Noel96: I learned something new by accident the other day and I applied it to Communist Song. I think it's a bit closer to what we recently discussed. Have a listen. All the best... DBM https://soundcloud.com/davebrooksmusic/communist-song3-render7wav
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Hi Dave,
Yes. I can hear an improvement. Seems to me that you're getting somewhere on this road you're travelling.
All the best,
Noel
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