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One post, almost 10 days ago, with no further response or acknowledgment.
While the discussion is great, the original post looks like a troll.
I agree.
When you are at the checkout line and they ask if you found everything say "Why, are you hiding stuff?"
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Troll or not these things do happen and there are a lot of good solutions that will be read by others so it all serves a purpose.
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Troll or not these things do happen and there are a lot of good solutions that will be read by others so it all serves a purpose. Yes, probably many of us picked up some good ideas.
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Agreed, but it's a worthy thread anyway.
Somebody may have gotten some good advice from it.
And being a troll, means somebody didn't actually lose a gig, and that's a good thing.
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The sociology paper was turned in.
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How unprofessional is he! i doubt if he's real by the way.
BB is not meant to be used AFAIK as a playback machine. Who would?
He's a Troll, Fol-de-rol as Frank Luther sang.
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What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and comes with a ultra thin gorilla glass wireless LED screen or can also Bluetooth to your tablet ? no more Windows, no more laptops ! Just like you have hardware karaoke players, DigiTech Trio (that uses biab tracks) and BackTrak backing track pedals. Thanks "Jim" you may have started something here ! (don't be surprised if Jim responds to all of this)
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What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and <...snip...> I'd still need two. Even hardware pieces of gear fail, just not as often. I've had one Archos Juke Box and two iPods die on me, and they only play when I'm in the car. My gigging computers play probably 100 times as many hours per week, in in all that time, I've lost one computer. And it still works, but the display has horizontal patches of different colors so I don't trust it anymore (I bought it in 2002). Plus I think exporting the BiaB files to a sequencer/DAW and spending some time tweaking them can take the very good BiaB output and turn it into something excellent and worthy of being on stage. Insights and incites by Notes.
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What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and comes with a ultra thin gorilla glass wireless LED screen or can also Bluetooth to your tablet ? no more Windows, no more laptops ! Just like you have hardware karaoke players, DigiTech Trio (that uses biab tracks) and BackTrak backing track pedals. Thanks "Jim" you may have started something here ! (don't be surprised if Jim responds to all of this) Pipeline, thanks for posting links to Digitech Trio and BackTrak pedals. International musicians have the opportunity to be exposed to a lot of gear that never seems to make it to North America, specifically the USA. Since search engines order responses based, in part, on location American musicians may, or may not see products like the BackTrack pedals in their search results. While I do not play live I can easily understand and appreciate how single and small acts would be receptive to incorporating the BackTrack pedals into their acts.
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Along with having two fully load with programs for a gig computers I would also have an Uninterrupted Power Supply, at least around here. That is if I was still gigging. Hey, Mario---I found out the hard way that even an inexpensive UPS is better that an expensive surge protector/power conditioner. I burned out two RP1000s on the same outlet on different gigs in a club but the mains and the backlines on UPSs were unaffected. The RPs didn't fry at those gigs but they both died within an hour at the very next gigs. $260 in repairs/shipping (DigiTech factory repaired one and completely replaced the other). UPS units are so light-weight and inexpensive now, they should be considered. Regarding the OP: My experience tells me there's a lot more undocumented drama than has been presented. Seriously---we've all dealt with equipment failures---on and off stage, remedied or not by redundancy or spares. Sometimes it goes easy, sometimes it goes hard. However, I submit that an accomplished pro with a following and a track record could have a complete equipment failure and more likely than not be rebooked. Did something else happen that crossed a non-musical line? It's a shame, because you don't often see guaranteed restaurant gigs that pay $$$$$$$$$$ for years, especially the non-volatile kind that go to the unprepared. Or, more simply stated: "Fortune favors the prepared." Ya know what? I'm sorry---we ALL know this. I think I just trolled myself! My bad. Paj 8^}
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Got to my after jazz fest party in Deland fla(Noble Watts Jazz fest) and biab stopped working at my restuarant gig. Drove an hr to get disc & it no longer installs from D drive on windows 10 Lost $$$$$$$$$$ for years. Owner won't ever use me again being I made him & myself the fools from biab fail ! BS
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+1. Occam's Razor wins again. Paj 8^)
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One post a month ago, help offered, no response. 
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I lost the tweeter in a powered speaker - I didn't lose any gigs. I turned up the good one, and compensated (I mix in mono) and the next day brought it in for service. It's still not back because they had to order a new tweeter.
But the gigs go on because I have my old passive speakers and my old QSC power amp.
More to lug but Tuesday's gig went great, no gig today but tomorrow and the weekend is covered.
I agree the original post was a BS troll, but it opened up a nice thread about needing redundant gear for gigging.
You have to be a "The Show Must Go On" performer or get out of the business (and if you don't get yourself out, the customers will do it for you).
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What a friendly forum this is!
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"assuming you're not just trolling us"
"you didn't bother reading the FAQ's at the top of the forum"
"you obviously didn't have ANY kind of backup planned or you wouldn't be here posting about it"
"Jim Graves...Halloween?...Just did a forum search for Jimmy, this one post is it for him....Time to shut this thread down I think."
"R.I.P."
"some people will take offence at anything"
"You need to forget that computer son"
"You have only yourself to blame and not Band in a Box."
"the original post looks like a troll."
"I agree."
"And being a troll, means somebody didn't actually lose a gig, and that's a good thing."
"The sociology paper was turned in."
"How unprofessional is he! i doubt if he's real by the way. He's a Troll"
"BS"
"BS +1."
"One post a month ago, help offered, no response." (included a lovely troll photo)
"I agree the original post was a BS troll"
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A fair point, Jcubed. You haven't been around long enough to remember the utter disruption caused by a troll in the past. Some of us have too-long memories.
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A fair point, Jcubed. You haven't been around long enough to remember the utter disruption caused by a troll in the past. Some of us have too-long memories.
MF, yeah I've only been here 5 years but I have been using forums for a whole lot longer than that. And, as it turns out the OP was probably not a troll as Pipeline showed in links to the guys profiles elsewhere. He was just a frustrated BIAB customer. I don't blame him for not coming back to this thread!
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Sorry, JJJ. Until he responds, he's a troll. Most of the responses to his plight were helpful, But he never came back to offer any more information/clarification. For all we know, it could have been poor electrical power at the venue, or his computer, or yes, maybe BIAB. But he left it with just the one negative post.
It's been over a month. Only one post on the entire forum, negative content. It's pretty clear to me he just wanted to drop a bomb and run.
So, what is it Mr. Graves? Are you really interested in figuring out what went wrong? Lots of folks here are happy to help you (myself included), and even the ones that called you a troll. Come back and let us know.
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I truly think (and know in my own case) that the "You should have done this or that" posts were in the spirit of being helpful so that the same thing wouldn't happen again in the future.
I often post about having redundancy, and I hope it's never misunderstood, because it is always to help my fellow musicians avoid future problems.
Through my life I've welcomed helpful advice from other musicians, I've learned a lot, and the best way to shop my appreciation for their generous help, is to pass down the information to help others.
Troll? Disgruntled customer? I can't say for sure, and it doesn't really matter, does it? I don't think anybody on the BiaB forum is going to think less of BiaB because of that post. And we shared some helpful information.
Insights and incites by Notes
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