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#438141 - 11/15/17 09:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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I'd vote for minimal & responsive.
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#438142 - 11/15/17 09:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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OMG, now we are going after the Website design? Some of you guys really have too much time on your hands. crazy Glad I am still working the day job or I would likely be the biggest complainer around here. grin
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#438157 - 11/15/17 10:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: cooltouch]
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Originally Posted By: cooltouch
Sure, PG's website (forums especially) is kinda quirky, but unique, and I find that I've gotten used to its quirkiness. So why bother changing the regular website. Now for mobiles and tablets, that's a separate issue that can be handled separately, way I see it.


I'm just curious, what you find quirky about the forums (aside from not being great on mobile). But let's assume you're on a desktop PC using the forums, what do you find weird about it, and what forum do you use that you don't find quirky? (just to clarify I'm asking specifically about the forums not the rest of the site).


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#438158 - 11/15/17 10:23 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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I’m not cooltouch but I like this forum. It’s fine on a desktop and ok on my iPhone. What I especially like is that you listen to suggestions and implement the good ones. No complaints whatever. Thank you for your interest, Andrew.
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#438159 - 11/15/17 10:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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Andrew,

I don't have any forum issues either. I find its use straightforward and reliable.

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#438164 - 11/15/17 10:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Noel96]
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Play youtube videos full screen.
Larger images attachments Link opens in a new tab rather than leaving the forum.
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#438185 - 11/15/17 12:43 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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Perhaps unrelated, but this forum seems to load faster on my PC now that Firefox just upgraded to Firefox Quantum.
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#438198 - 11/15/17 02:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Matt Finley]
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The only complaint that I have with the forums is the fact that if I don't read a message, close out and then come back all of the messages appear as read. This is unlike some other forums where I can close out, come back and find those that I haven't viewed still appear as unread. I know this is minor but it does make it hard to see what you have or have not viewed. YMMV
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#438216 - 11/15/17 03:40 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Andrew - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: Andrew - PG Music
Originally Posted By: cooltouch
Sure, PG's website (forums especially) is kinda quirky, but unique, and I find that I've gotten used to its quirkiness. So why bother changing the regular website. Now for mobiles and tablets, that's a separate issue that can be handled separately, way I see it.


I'm just curious, what you find quirky about the forums (aside from not being great on mobile). But let's assume you're on a desktop PC using the forums, what do you find weird about it, and what forum do you use that you don't find quirky? (just to clarify I'm asking specifically about the forums not the rest of the site).

I really only have one issue with the forums and that is they do not work well on mobile. I see you are on version 7.5.7. UBB claims that 7.6 pages are "mobile friendly" so a simple upgrade might address that, at least partially.

Being an old-timer who first enjoyed BBS using a Hayes 300 baud Smartmodem, I have been using these sorts of forums for many years. Therefore, I am quite comfortable with the forum here and find it to be adequate for the purpose at hand. With that said, it does look old and that will be a big turn-off to any younger demographics that PG may be interested in pursuing.


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#438220 - 11/15/17 04:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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I'd love to see what I've already posted to easily, eg with a flag setting. Especially for people's songs. As I get older I get more forgetful.
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#438221 - 11/15/17 04:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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On the cell when you zoom in the top Black and Gray NavBars fill the screen and gets in the way.
<<< this seems to set the size too big.

On the Desktop Main pages when you zoom in to the page width the NavBars just takes up too much room.
You could make it more compact or scroll it up out of the way and just have a floating ^ up arrow to take you back to the top.
See how you have the Black & Gold and gold text on black, that's what you need the new website to color coordinate with.


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#438223 - 11/15/17 04:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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See you have your new logo and colors but you have all the old remnants like the old PGmusic logo in the NavBar and the old colors.
The whole website needs to color coordinate with the new logo and colors.
If I sat there for a few more hours it would be done.
Something like this:
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#438229 - 11/15/17 06:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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and further (I'm doing all this but behind the scenes PG maybe have the new site all done):
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#438257 - 11/16/17 02:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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Not impressed - dull and lifeless

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#438281 - 11/16/17 06:56 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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Very impressed - exciting and modern!

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#438282 - 11/16/17 07:00 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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I have enough problems when they change the year! I hate change! Leave it as it is!...Hank

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#438303 - 11/16/17 09:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Rutabago]
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I like it as it looks much more modern I think it would help sell more copies of BIAB too

You need to convince more of the younger crowd as older users are already fans and probably don't really care that much about a redesigned website. However for the future of the software a younger crowd need to be encouraged too without alienating the faithful of course.

Young people are used to the idea of appearance trumping content. If software (which might be amazing) looks dull they'll probably go for something that looks cooler even if it might be fairly useless.

The younger crowd have been brought up expecting certain design standards whereas maybe the older crowd are looking closer at functionality. I am generalising but I think there is a basic truth in this.

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#438314 - 11/16/17 09:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: funkycornwall]
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Originally Posted By: funkycornwall
I like it as it looks much more modern I think it would help sell more copies of BIAB too...


Yes that says it all, the old uses don't like change and prefer EGA graphics not modern 4K, but they need to look at it from a company's perspective and not expect the company to stay in the past just for them only and not move with the times, how many companies fold up due to this very issue. They were young at one time, rebels, and wanted change then, they didn't stay with the DOS version.
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#438327 - 11/16/17 10:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
On the cell when you zoom in the top Black and Gray NavBars fill the screen and gets in the way.

On the Desktop Main pages when you zoom in to the page width the NavBars just takes up too much room.
You could make it more compact or scroll it up out of the way and just have a floating ^ up arrow to take you back to the top.
See how you have the Black & Gold and gold text on black, that's what you need the new website to color coordinate with.


Thanks for all the feedback. I think we're more or less on the same page with this. When the current design was done, maybe 7 years ago, when we were still worrying about supporting older Internet Explorer browsers and HTML5 hadn't taken a firm hold, we were just on the cusp of mobile becoming a big issue in web design - it was just a passing thought. Web technology moves fast! Designing a site today, and you wouldn't even CONSIDER not designing a responsive site. I wonder what we'll have in 7 more years?

I noti


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#438332 - 11/16/17 11:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Website Modernization Update Overdue [Re: Andrew - PG Music]
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Thanks Andrew !
Just gets a bit more noticed here than one of the coins in the well.

The website needs to reflect REAL not colorful cartoon pics of music coming out of a computer but REAL INSTRUMENTS from a REAL STUDIO.

EDIT: See, as you zoom you get the compact menu:



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