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#471539 - 05/07/18 01:43 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] why are some realtracks stereo and others mono?
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Obviously there's a good reason - I just don't know it and I'm curious.

When I record vocals I choose mono as the balanced lead is a mono input. What criterion applies to RealTracks?

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#471551 - 05/07/18 05:48 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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It's probably instrument dependent. Is there a need to have a single guitar recorded in stereo? But perhaps vocals or ensembles.
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#471555 - 05/07/18 06:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Hi Bob,

Here's my take on it...

If two mics are used to record a single instrument, then the sound would need stereo playback to re-create the input from two mics since each mic will pick up up different sound characteristics.

Instruments such as organ and electric/electronic pianos usually have stereo output. This better reproduces the spread of sound that is emitted from these instruments. For example, on a piano the bass notes are heard to the left of the pianist while the treble notes are heard to the right.

If an instrument only uses a single mic for recording, then it is mono because there is only one signal. Even if this single input is recorded in stereo, it's not true stereo because both channels will be identical.

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#471566 - 05/07/18 07:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Most of the tracks that are stereo are from instruments that are in fact stereo.... I notice that the B3 organ, pianos and drums tend to be stereo. At least I think the drums are sometimes in stereo.

I don't recall seeing many stereo guitar tracks or sax tracks or bass tracks. It's possible to have stereo on guitar because sometimes the amp is a stereo amp with a stereo chorus or on an acoustic guitar where the body is miked and so is the fretboard.

It's really not something I think much about when I add RB tracks.

And yes, vocals should almost always be mono.

Most DAWs will let you convert stereo to mono.

When mixing, you should take the status of the track into account. It's stereo for a reason and usually that means it was intended to be placed in the center of the mix. You don't "have" to place it there but the stereo effect is maximized when it is placed center rather than panned off center. However, I have placed stereo tracks off center intentionally and usually have another track..... mono or stereo placed on the opposite side, the same amount, for sonic balance.


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#641530 - 02/11/21 09:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Guitarhacker]
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I'm resurrecting this thread, but it comes closes to a question I'm wondering about. I'm finding there are quite a few acoustic guitar stereo RealTracks, and also working with some fiddle tracks - for example 1446, Gypsy Jazz Latin fiddle. I'm trying to understand more about what might have been recorded/captured there. If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back, doesn't seem you would want that "translated" to right-left. I would think it would be more a case of having two separate mono tracks that could be balanced and EQ'd independently. But I'm a bit out of my element, so just curious if there are any thoughts or experiences related to these type tracks. (It does make sense for keyboards to have a wider image - usually from low note to high note depending I think.)
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#641593 - 02/11/21 02:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: cwiggins999]
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.. If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back, doesn't seem you would want that "translated" to right-left. I would think it would be more a case of having two separate mono tracks that could be balanced and EQ'd independently. But I'm a bit out of my element, ..


This is a good question in my opinion. If you could separate the left/right, pan as desired, EQ and apply FX as desired; YES, it would be better.

But RTs are created for BiaB generation which does not yet allow these options (to my knowledge) so they have to make the best call on the best solution for most users. Using two of your BiaB tracks for a guitar, two more for drums, two more for keys .. you would start getting slim on tracks pretty quick.

I do like your question, because I have a hard time explaining to others sometimes that, in some situations, it is better to split a stereo track to two MONO tracks once you get to the 'mix' stage. Much different/better control.
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#641598 - 02/11/21 03:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: rharv]
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This came up for me specifically in relation to a gypsy jazz arrangement, where there are two guitars and two violins - with fairly hard panning. The guitars are mono, so no big deal. But was trying to hear/understand if I'm losing something by panning the stereo violin tracks hard right or left. Multi-mic recording makes sense for capturing complex instruments like a violin. I did some googling about stereo recording methods, and this article covers some techniques. The one that makes the most sense for a violin seems to be the mid/side technique. I'm doing my final mixes and audio recording in my DAW, so don't need BiaB to handle the stereo-to-mono aspect. But it would be interesting to have some "recording notes" about particular acoustic RealTracks that might help in determining how to split/process the tracks to maximize the recording technique.

https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/stereo-microphone-techniques/
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#641599 - 02/11/21 03:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Bob, I think you've asked a really interesting question.

Sometimes it depends on the instrument, sometimes the recording engineer, sometimes the recording environment and it can also depend on requirements set by the client paying for the recording. Some examples are given below.

An acoustic guitar is sometimes recorded mono and sometimes stereo. If the musician is strumming and does not want much plectrum sound, a single microphone pointing toward the neck may work better. On the other hand if the musician alternates between strumming and finger picking two microphones may be set up with one pointing toward the neck and another toward the body to better pick up all the frequencies and hand sounds.

Most electric guitars have a mono output but Rickenbacker and some Gibson guitars have stereo outputs. Some musicians modify guitars from mono to stereo outputs. Stereo outputs can make recording easier and give more choices during the mix down.

Someone recording an acoustic guitar in a dormitory likely will have one microphone set close to the guitar so the playing doesn't have to be too loud.

A horn player may have one microphone mounted straight to the instrument bell but a second microphone may be set up to record room ambiance.

Last, a client paying for a session to collect audio for use in creating loops may specify the audio must be delivered at 24 bit depth, 96kHz sample rate, lossless stereo audio files.
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#641635 - 02/11/21 06:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Here's some insight into my recording process, which might give you an idea on why we choose RT's to be stereo or mono:

For me, everything starts with drums. My typical recording setup for a drum set is a mic on the kick drum, a mic on the snare, and a pair of stereo overheads. Depending on the band or genre I might add mics on individual drums or cymbals, but often they're not necessary. Overheads are panned so that the kick comes out dead centre, then I pan the snare mic so that it matches the placement of the snare in the overheads (which is typically centered with the way I set up overheads). If I have more mics than the main 4 then I'll do the same process of panning them as with the snare - the idea being to use the natural imaging of the overhead mics and use any spot mics to enhance the overheads.

But then again, a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic, with only a few exceptions. Trumpet, guitar, vocals, bass? One mic each.

More than one mic does not necessarily add to the sonic experience of that instrument - and often adds issues with things like phase, track count, EQ, and making an instrument "fit" in the context of a band mix. Typically, it's best to record most instruments in mono then pan them appropriately to give them space in the mix. Exceptions of course - if I have a horn section, that'll be panned in stereo, or if I'm recording rock guitars I'll typically double track them (record the performance twice, then pan one left and one right)

Larger instruments get special treatment, like a piano - it does add to the sonic experience to record the piano in stereo, as long as that piano is the focus of part of the music. Same with a Hammond organ - stereo mics on the Leslie tend to sound incredible, and are worth doing even if it's a background instrument. That said, if those instruments are not the lead instrument of the song, and there's a lot going on in the mix, then it's better to mix those instruments down to mono, otherwise they'll start stepping on the toes of other more important instruments.

Basically the bottom line is - if you're recording an instrument that needs to fill some space in the mix, record in stereo - although, if it's a single small instrument, you might not get much stereo out of it, in which case you'll have to create some stereo with an effect of some sort - reverb, chorus, etc...

Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general. In RT's, generally drum sets, pianos, organs, and the like will always be stereo, and bass, fiddle, wind, and such instruments will be mono, but there are always exceptions.
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#641637 - 02/11/21 07:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
...Most electric guitars have a mono output but Rickenbacker and some Gibson guitars have stereo outputs. Some musicians modify guitars from mono to stereo outputs. Stereo outputs can make recording easier and give more choices during the mix down.
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I was going to say, but Jim said it, I did that years ago with a guitar and put a stereo jack in it to give both pickups in the recording, I didn't know they did that.
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#641683 - 02/12/21 04:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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some of the Gibson ES models had 'stereo' output so the pickups - lead and rhythm - could be fed to different amps set to different tone and volume settings in the days before twin channel amps.

the Gibson lead or rhythm pick up selection with different volume and tone controls for each also make switching sounds a doddle - just flick a switch. not as easy to do on a fender strat where all pickups go through one volume control although the lead pickup bypasses the tone controls.

closest fender got to that is the two separate circuits on the jaguar and jazzmaster which is much more complicated than one toggle switch.

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#641919 - 02/13/21 10:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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In both of these guitar pickup examples, it seems that if used for recording, you would want each output tracked to a separate mono track, versus stereo. I think my examples of acoustic guitars and violin/fiddle recordings match this scenario - with 2 or more mics placed for recording added tonality, rather than for creating a right/left image.

If I get some free time and enough curiosity I might play with the stereo fiddle track a bit more with this in mind, and split it to two mono tracks in Cakewalk.
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#642284 - 02/15/21 11:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Two things and two responses

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If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back,


I've stereo mic'd a few acoustics and I never thought of putting a mic behind the guitar. All you're going to get back there is the low end and boominess and that's what generally gets EQ'd out. The mic positions are generally going to be on the front and those positions are many. Body sound hole, and neck being the most common stereo placement.




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a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general.


Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version.
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#642490 - 02/16/21 03:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Guitarhacker]
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a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general.


Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version.



I agree, I'd love to see individual stems for drums in a future version of BB. The issue is in storage and track count - with the Audiophile edition, we're already at 74gb of drums for BB. Assuming a minimum of 4 mics for drums (kick/snare/overheads) we would double that to ~150gb - that's doable. The kind of people who would want to tweak drum mixes might want a mic on every single piece of the kit, so then we're talking a minimum of 8 mics for a 5-piece drum kit with 2 cymbals and hi-hats, and 296gb of space - add in stereo overheads and stereo room mics and we're at a dozen mics and 444gb of space. Add in top and bottom mics for toms and snare, in and out mics for kick, and we're at 17 mics now, which would be 629gb of drums alone, and we haven't even expanded past the typical 5-piece rock drum kit into the prog-rock Neil Peart/Mike Portnoy/Bobby Jarzombek kind of world - now we're talking a couple terabytes of drums (which would be awesome, but still). And we're still not even jumping into higher bit depth or sample rate, which is another feature request I often see whenever anyone brings up separate drum stems.

I understand most of those particular configurations would be going maybe a little "beyond" what most would want, but it's worth considering. How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? I'd personally be cool with the 12-track setup I mentioned above, as that's my usual go-to when I need more than the Glyn Johns setup.

Track count would need to increase too - we already have the utility tracks, so that probably wouldn't be much of an issue to add more, but still - we have a total of 24 tracks with all the original BB tracks and the 16 utility tracks. Perhaps our brilliant programmers could add a submixer on the drums channel, hard to say though. Regardless, I'm personally 110% for the idea, it just will require a solid implementation.


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#642515 - 02/16/21 05:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Perhaps a midi implementation?

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#642671 - 02/17/21 02:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Keith44]
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Perhaps a midi implementation?


It's already possible to export a MIDI transcript of a Realdrums track, and in BB 2021 we added in transcripts of all the Realdrum tracks. Basically, if you export a MIDI file from BB you should get a MIDI version of the drums, as long as your MIDI File options are set to the defaults.

With Realtracks (non-drum) there is often a MIDI transcript, but not for every Realtrack - probably around 85% of them give or take, if I'm looking at things correctly.


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#642678 - 02/17/21 03:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Let alone many users envision this as an audio utopia, where EQing the ride has no effect on the Tom, or EQing the snare or bass drum has no effect on the other .. thenthrow in hihat <grin> If you don't think a typical hihat mic affects the snare and vice versa, well .. they normally sit pretty close together and would be really hard to isolate.

To get exclusive drum control you would need to use MIDI .. cause when you record drums, bleed happens.
You are going to hear the snare and BD on every mic .. it just happens.

So you EQ the snare, and now the snare that is coming through the crash mic has changed .. and then if you you throw some reverb/gate onto them, things can compound and get all haywire real fast smile Suddenly the hihat is louder only while the snare gate is open ..

Drums ain't easy, and PGMusic does a pretty dang good job on them for the purpose right now.

To answer Simon's question up a few posts
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How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"?


The above shows why that is really a case by case scenario .. but if I had to pick a number I'd say 8 (just from experience)
snare
hihat
BD snap
BD boom
overhead for cymbals/toms (panned)
overhead2 for cymbals/toms (panned)
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that would be my preference on a basic kit



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#642683 - 02/17/21 03:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music
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a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general.


Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version.



I agree, I'd love to see individual stems for drums in a future version of BB. The issue is in storage and track count - with the Audiophile edition, we're already at 74gb of drums for BB. Assuming a minimum of 4 mics for drums (kick/snare/overheads) we would double that to ~150gb - that's doable. The kind of people who would want to tweak drum mixes might want a mic on every single piece of the kit, so then we're talking a minimum of 8 mics for a 5-piece drum kit with 2 cymbals and hi-hats, and 296gb of space - add in stereo overheads and stereo room mics and we're at a dozen mics and 444gb of space. Add in top and bottom mics for toms and snare, in and out mics for kick, and we're at 17 mics now, which would be 629gb of drums alone, and we haven't even expanded past the typical 5-piece rock drum kit into the prog-rock Neil Peart/Mike Portnoy/Bobby Jarzombek kind of world - now we're talking a couple terabytes of drums (which would be awesome, but still). And we're still not even jumping into higher bit depth or sample rate, which is another feature request I often see whenever anyone brings up separate drum stems.

I understand most of those particular configurations would be going maybe a little "beyond" what most would want, but it's worth considering. How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? I'd personally be cool with the 12-track setup I mentioned above, as that's my usual go-to when I need more than the Glyn Johns setup.

Track count would need to increase too - we already have the utility tracks, so that probably wouldn't be much of an issue to add more, but still - we have a total of 24 tracks with all the original BB tracks and the 16 utility tracks. Perhaps our brilliant programmers could add a submixer on the drums channel, hard to say though. Regardless, I'm personally 110% for the idea, it just will require a solid implementation.


This is JMO, but I'd be thrilled if we could just get stems on the kick and snare. Those are the two things I'd really love to have more control over in mixing.

I recognize this isn't optimal for those who would like to really fine tune the drums, but for the most party (again IMO) the drums sounds pretty solid in BIAB, and just having those two would be a big improvement.

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#642781 - 02/18/21 11:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Roger Brown]
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Let alone many users envision this as an audio utopia, where EQing the ride has no effect on the Tom, or EQing the snare or bass drum has no effect on the other .. thenthrow in hihat <grin> If you don't think a typical hihat mic affects the snare and vice versa, well .. they normally sit pretty close together and would be really hard to isolate.

To get exclusive drum control you would need to use MIDI .. cause when you record drums, bleed happens.
You are going to hear the snare and BD on every mic .. it just happens.

So you EQ the snare, and now the snare that is coming through the crash mic has changed .. and then if you you throw some reverb/gate onto them, things can compound and get all haywire real fast smile Suddenly the hihat is louder only while the snare gate is open ..

Drums ain't easy, and PGMusic does a pretty dang good job on them for the purpose right now.

To answer Simon's question up a few posts
Quote:
How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"?


The above shows why that is really a case by case scenario .. but if I had to pick a number I'd say 8 (just from experience)
snare
hihat
BD snap
BD boom
overhead for cymbals/toms (panned)
overhead2 for cymbals/toms (panned)
ride bell
center

that would be my preference on a basic kit


Especially since a typical hi-hat mic is a condenser which will pick up TONS of bleed. My personal favourite mic for hi-hat is my Sennheiser ME64, which is a short shotgun mic. Or an SM57 of course - heck, I'll use 57's on literally everything if I have enough. I tend to prefer my dynamic mics over condenser half the time anyway, and not just on drums.


Originally Posted By: Roger Brown
This is JMO, but I'd be thrilled if we could just get stems on the kick and snare. Those are the two things I'd really love to have more control over in mixing.

I recognize this isn't optimal for those who would like to really fine tune the drums, but for the most party (again IMO) the drums sounds pretty solid in BIAB, and just having those two would be a big improvement.


Yeah, that would probably be enough for most people who want to tweak.
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#642807 - 02/18/21 03:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: why are some realtracks stereo and others mono? [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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Our drum recording setup for mics includes as many SM-57s as practical as well.

1 on snare (close)
1 on HH (close)
1 by the kick pedal (to get the Snap)
A couple 58s as overheads
.. and my special $38 dollar Audio-Technica I picked up in a pinch one night when we were short a live vocal mic 20 years ago, and discovered the thing was not that grwat for vocals, but was a nice Ride cymbal mic .. and man is it great at that; grabs every nuance and clear as can be

The final trick we use is to place a reverse wired subwoofer in front of the hole in the bass drum, about 14-16" away .. it picks up the 'boom' quite nicely, and a decent preamp gives it enough oomph

We wired the two wires connected to the speaker cone directly to the (now) output wire via XLR cable.
Works a treat

We have to scoot the BD track a few ticks toward the beginning of the song after recording (or it seems to lag just a touch) but the end result is pretty cool.
We could probably compensate for some of the lag by moving it closer, but we want to let the waveform develop before it gets to the mic/speaker.

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Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac Bonus PAKs!

Say "hello" to Mac Bonus PAKs!

Purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac during our special (ending June 30th) and you'll receive a FREE BONUS PAK filled with some great new Add-ons!
-"Rediscovered" RealTracks Styles
-Instrumental Studies 15: Minor Jazz Blues Guitar Soloing
-Look Ma! More MIDI 5
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 32: Jazz, New Age and Gospel Keys
-RealCharts for all existing and new RealDrums

Upgrade that to the 2021 49-PAK for just $49 to grab even more AMAZING Add-ons, including MultiStyles PAK 1, 40 additional unreleased RealTracks, and more!
-40 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks
-Instrumental Studies 14: Country Rock Blues Shuffle Soloing
-Look Ma! More MIDI 6
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 33: More Bass
-14 Bonus RealDrums "Singles"
-Artist Performance Set 10: More Celtic Flute with Geoff Kelly
-MultiStyles PAK 1

More info...

Video - Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac® - DAW Plugin 3.0 New Features

The Band-in-a-Box® 2021 DAW Plugin offers great new features including enhanced audio rendering, support for displaying two chord types, the ability to change audio output channels, and we've added table view buttons. Now you can Import MIDI markers and tempo map, export chord markers as a MIDI file, generate all ungenerated tracks, and much more!

Learn all about the new features added to the Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac® DAW Plugin 3.0: Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac® - DAW Plugin 3.0 New Features

Read about the new features.

Video - Band-in-a-Box® 2021: New Features Video - Extended Version!

The complete Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac New Features Video is ready!!!

With 80+ new features, there's a lot to discuss - so grab a snack & something to wash it down with and watch Tobin explain everything new for version 2021: Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Video: "New Features, RealTracks, and Additional Content!"

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Video - Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac: Everything you need to know in less than 6 minutes!

Take a few minutes to learn about the 80+ new features and content added to Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac with our latest video: Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac® - Everything you need to know in under 6 minutes!* (plus the 49-PAK!)

To celebrate this new version, we're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac Upgrade purchases until June 30, 2021 - save up to 50% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac Upgrade!

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 1 for Band-in-a-Box® 2021!

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 1 for Band-in-a-Box® 2021!

Great news! We've created a collection of 100 styles that work with the Band-in-a-Box Pro package contents! In fact, these will work with ANY Band-in-a-Box package!

The brand-new XPro Styles PAK 1 greatly expands your Band-in-a-Box® style library with 100 fully-produced arrangements including 25 rock and pop styles, 25 jazz styles, 25 country styles, and 25 folk styles.

AND IT IS ON SALE UNTIL JUNE 30TH! Add XPro Styles PAK 1 to your collection for only $29... that's 40% off our regular price of $49!

Watch our Demos video, or pick and choose the demos you want to listen to when you visit our XPro Styles PAKs page.

Note: XPro Styles PAK 1 requires RealTracks from Band-in-a-Box® 2021 or higher and is compatible with any package, including Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Using Windows? Click here for your XPro Styles PAK 1 page.

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac is Here!

Just released: Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac with over 50 new features, 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Artist Performances, Bonus RealDrums "Singles," RealDrums transcriptions, MultiStyles PAK 1, Xtra Styles PAK 11, and more!

We're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Upgrade purchases until June 30, 2021 - save up to 50% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac Upgrade!

We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some amazing Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2021 packages, but for more even more Add-ons (including 40 Unreleased RealTracks and MultiStyles PAK 1) upgrade it to the 2021 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Learn more about all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Mac

Read the Band-in-a-Box® 2021 Upgrade Manual: Online Manual | PDF Download
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Customers LOVE Xtra Styles PAK 11 for Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Windows!

We've added 200 exciting new RealStyles with the just-released Xtra Styles PAK 11 for Band-in-a-Box® 2021 for Windows - 50 each for Jazz 11, Country 11, Rock & Pop 11, and Half & Double Time 1!

We think you'll love the new RealStyles and MultiStyles added with Xtra Styles PAK 11, which includes new sounds like modern reggaeton, medieval-inspired folk pop, Americana power ballad, speakeasy vocal jazz, R&B and reggae fusion, and more! In fact, here's what people are saying...

I LOVE the double-time comping electric piano!

Everyone should have these!

These are a must have!

Half and double time styles - yes!

Love what I'm hearing! My compliments to the producer that created them.

These are AWESOME!

Nailed it!

Some really great sounding country styles here!

There are some great styles in this XtraPAK.

XTRA STYLES PAKS ARE ON SALE UNTIL MAY 31st!

During our Xtra Styles PAK 11 for Windows special, all our Xtra Styles PAKs 1-11 are on sale for just $29 each (reg. $49)! Looking for more Xtra Styles PAKs? Until May 31st, you can purchase our complete library of all 1,800+ RealStyles with the Xtra Styles PAK 1-11 Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Learn more and order now.

Interested in a specific genre? These can be purchased for $15 each - pick & choose here.

NOTE: Xtra Styles PAKs require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition version 2020 or 2021. (Xtra Styles PAK 11 requires the 2021 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition.) Xtra Styles PAKs won't work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Learn more & listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 11.

Band-in-a-Box® 2021 users should install the latest patch update, which includes support for Xtra Styles PAK 11.

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