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#506701 - 12/05/18 01:07 AM [User Showcase] Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing
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Hello Folks,
This is a project I've almost completed. I'm still mixing and listening to/applying suggestions, ideas and commentary. I hope to have it sorted fairly soon so that I can sent it to the UK for mastering.
This track has BIAB Real Drums - Brit pop A narrow EQ boost for snare snap, a little cut in the high hat region and a small boost for the click in the kick.
Anthony Andrulonis wrote this with me and he provides vocals which he recorded in his home studio in the US.
I recorded the guitars using a Squire HH Bullet Mustang into a Marshall Superlead 100 - sometimes with a clean boost pedal in front.
The Vantage bass was recorded through a BDI21.
Foscusrite 2i2 into a rather new W10 computer.
The cabinet was mic'ed with a Shure 57 and a Sennheiser e609.
Tracked into and mixed in REAPER.
Circus City Sewer
Suggestions and thoughts gratefully received.
Oh, lyrics...

Circus, City, Sewer.
Come to my circus,
My city, my sewer,
Exhibits are many,
Clay menagerie.
You can
Come to the grand ball,
My truncated lover,
The legless, the armless,
Come love’s amputee.

Red cellophane eyes
Waving stumps at the moon,
Come and see!
Build your own
Come and see!

Come to the grand ball,
My truncated lover,
The legless, the armless,
Come love’s amputee.
Won’t you
Come to my circus,
Spectators are few,
Another red nightmare,
You can’t hide or flee

Preach gangrenous love
Buy my pinup religion,
For a fee,
Have a taste!
For a fee!

Come to my circus,
Spectators are few,
Another red nightmare,
You can’t hide or flee
They all
Come to the dark house,
My frustrated lovers,
The carefree, the careless,
Loves not meant to be.

See comic book heroes
Pretend not to bleed
Please don’t look so sad
Come and taste,
Come and see.
For a fee.


Edited by rayc (12/05/18 01:08 AM)
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#506707 - 12/05/18 02:05 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Ray, overall this is very good. For me however I felt the harmonies were a little lost in there. Maybe widen the harmonies a little or even lift them but I am being super critical. But then I get fussy when it comes to harmonies it’s my age I’m sure.

Really well done

Tony
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#506712 - 12/05/18 02:17 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: Teunis]
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Originally Posted By: Teunis
... the harmonies were a little lost in there. Maybe widen the harmonies a little or even lift them ...

Tony,
Thanks mate.
That's the sort of response I can use. I'll try that recco tomorrow.
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#506855 - 12/05/18 12:34 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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A really Rockin' tune, Ray. Great energy.

The guitars are terrific. Cookin'. And a good vocal.

The snare sounds great, but I'm not hearing the kick at all. I thought the snare could use a bit of reverb - seems pretty dry for this type song.

The bass line is terrific. I can hear it well, but it seems to be missing the bottom it ought to have. No "oomph" (one might say "Where's the beef?"). It's worth a highlight.

Those are just suggestions. Overall, you got the "big rock sound" going... and I enjoyed it.

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#506881 - 12/05/18 01:47 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Ray

I like the song a good rock write, with some nicely played guitars which sound good(like the feedback ending). Like floyd I can't really hear the kick drum all that well. At 1.42 perhaps the little guitar leads could be louder in the mix.

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#506940 - 12/05/18 06:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Tony, Floyd & Peter,
I've attempted to address all suggestions in this mix.
I've done no faux mastering on this one so it'll sound a little quieter and drier than the previous BUT it should more accurately reflect the mix.
I was unable to come up with a reasonable solution for snare reverb.
I tried a few tricks but had no success - reverb on the whole kit was causing problems with the kick drum, (smearing it), which is why the kit is dry now.
I did lift the kick end of the kit though and added a tiny peak where the click of the beater is.
Harmonies are split either side now and panned a little wider.
lead lifted a bit.
I did note that the track played through a different streamer had more kick so it may be Soundcloud's compression & freq cut off s but that's the way with streamers.
Subsequent mix
Thoughts?


Edited by rayc (12/05/18 06:14 PM)
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#507018 - 12/06/18 12:18 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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How are the drums done? Sometimes when I use RealDrums I copy the drum track and use a low pass filter on one track and high pass on the other. This way I can boost the kick a bit without the same happening to the higher end. I can get some subtle differences on the snare. Is it perfect NO. But, it can make overall control better.

I do like the harmonies better. Overall I like the song. Well done.

Tony
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#507027 - 12/06/18 02:51 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: Teunis]
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Originally Posted By: Teunis
How are the drums done? Sometimes when I use RealDrums I copy the drum track and use a low pass filter on one track and high pass on the other. This way I can boost the kick a bit without the same happening to the higher end. I can get some subtle differences on the snare. Is it perfect NO. But, it can make overall control better.

I do like the harmonies better. Overall I like the song. Well done.

Tony


Tony,
thanks for the response.
It's the usual BIAB stereo drum exported to .wav.
I have a narrow peak on the snare, another at the beater noise on the kick and a little cut bellow the thump.
I used the high & low pass trick on companion tracks but, when it came to just putting reverb on the snare, it wasn't accurate enough. I could locate the snare sample and build a companion snare track to add reverb to but that's a lot of effort and I've only had the one comment re that issue. Adding m ore kick - def is there on another forum which has its own upload, stream & download facility - being that it's a critical listening forum it probably has less crushing & trimming than SCloud.
I'm glad the harmonies have improved.


Edited by rayc (12/06/18 02:53 AM)
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#507067 - 12/06/18 05:51 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Ray,
nice tune and good, tight mix. I am "average" listener, and to me it sounds pro.
I am sure it sounds much better outside of sound cloud... Besides in my opinion this genre might actually benefit from little dust.

P.S. I would put a tiny hint of reverb on MB to make it a little wider, but that is how I would do it, not a suggestion.

Misha.

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#507071 - 12/06/18 06:02 AM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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What a tune! I'm getting an almost Talking Heads vibe on this. Really catchy, and delightfully quirky. Really love the mix personally - everything flows perfectly and I found each element added to the others.

You should be proud of this one - thanks for sharing smile
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#507272 - 12/06/18 06:05 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Very cool tune. Really liked the drums and guitar. Vocal was excellent. Well done
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#507280 - 12/06/18 06:20 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Ray,
nice tune and good, tight mix. I am "average" listener, and to me it sounds pro.
I am sure it sounds much better outside of sound cloud... Besides in my opinion this genre might actually benefit from little dust.

P.S. I would put a tiny hint of reverb on MB to make it a little wider, but that is how I would do it, not a suggestion.

Misha.

Misha,
thank you very much.
I used a hint of reverb in the previous mix - this has nothing on the MB. I'll leave that decision for the Mastering Engineer - I get my "finished" stuff professionally mastered so as to milk the best from them. I will post the mastered version when it's done.
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#507281 - 12/06/18 06:22 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: Deryk - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: Deryk - PG Music
What a tune! I'm getting an almost Talking Heads vibe on this. Really catchy, and delightfully quirky. Really love the mix personally - everything flows perfectly and I found each element added to the others.

You should be proud of this one - thanks for sharing smile

Thanks Deryk,
Having solid BIAB drums as the basis makes it much easier to get a half decent result.
I've used drum machines - & they had their place in time & space. I've used excellent drummers but it's a big ask & I asked too often.
Now I have a tool that frees me to create.
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#507282 - 12/06/18 06:23 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: Scott C]
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Originally Posted By: Scott C
Very cool tune. Really liked the drums and guitar. Vocal was excellent. Well done

Thanks Scott,
The drums thump away perfectly don't they?
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#507287 - 12/06/18 06:52 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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I like the subsequent mix sounding good.

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#507317 - 12/06/18 10:32 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Dear "rayc"...

Well, your "Circus, City, Sewer" song is quite a phantasmagoric production with its driving, somewhat downbeat rhythm and darkly fantastic lyrics. It's drenched with atmosphere and has a weird energy that is quite unforgettable.

Something different and daring, for sure, "rayc"!

Haunted,

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#507319 - 12/06/18 10:56 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: PeterF]
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Originally Posted By: PeterF
Ray

I like the subsequent mix sounding good.

Peter

Thanks Peter,
A couple of very, very small tweaks t that one & it's flown off or mastering.
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#507320 - 12/06/18 10:58 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: bluage]
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Dear "rayc"...
Well, your "Circus, City, Sewer" song is quite a phantasmagoric production with its driving, somewhat downbeat rhythm and darkly fantastic lyrics. It's drenched with atmosphere and has a weird energy that is quite unforgettable.
Something different and daring, for sure, "rayc"!
Haunted,
LOREN

Loren,
Thanks for the amusingly grandiloquent pat on the back.
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#507478 - 12/07/18 01:50 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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This has a great retro feel going on. I particularly enjoyed the bridge. Rob

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#507581 - 12/07/18 06:49 PM [User Showcase] Re: Circus, City, Sewer - Pygmy Beat Extended - still mixing [Re: rayc]
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Ray,

The remix is certainly better - the bass is way thicker and I thought the overall sound
more balanced. Nice guitar tones- love the feedback ending.
Lyrics are dark-not a bad thing ( suited to the feel of the music), I think I`d need a lightshow and substance assistance to really get into them!

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