You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#526375 - 02/25/19 07:02 PM [RealBand] Skipping and drop outs during recording
Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
2bSolo Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
I am starting to have a problem with skipping and drop outs. I have heard that can indicate I have my buffers set incorrectly or that my hard drive is going bad.

What do you folks recommend for buffer size? I need to set it for the least amount of latency while keeping the song from skipping. Any thoughts? Any other factors to consider or other information I need to give you?

Thanks.

2b
_________________________
i5-3210 laptop. Win 10 Home. 2.5ghz, 64 bit. 6gb RAM. Focusrite Scarlet 2i2.

Top
#526376 - 02/25/19 07:17 PM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 11/05/08
Posts: 1382
Kent - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 11/05/08
Posts: 1382
Hi 2bSolo,

In newer computers, running Windows 10, this issue is usually caused by power settings, not audio driver issues.

Can you please check out the power settings I described in this thread (4th reply)?

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=522434#Post522434

If this doesn't do the trick, please let us know, and also provide info about your computer. We'll need to know which model and speed of processor you have, how much RAM, which version of Windows, and whether you're using your computer's built-in sound card, or an audio interface. Also, which version and build of RealBand are you running?

Thanks
Kent
PG Music

Top
#526403 - 02/26/19 05:55 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 6477
Guitarhacker Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 6477
Check your settings as Kent pointed out.

Increase the buffers a few steps at a time. Reduce the latency as well.

You didn't mention what soundcard/interface you are using or the driver mode it is running.

I've had issues in my laptop mainly, when I run Sonar with BB & RB all at the same time. Sonar grabs ASIO and then BB & RB have to use MME. Of course, MME isn't good with midi & audio in the same project so I get all sorts of wonky things happening.
_________________________
You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com

Add nothing that adds nothing to the music

Top
#526407 - 02/26/19 06:23 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: Kent - PG Music]
Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
2bSolo Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
Thanks to both of you for the reply. And Kent, thanks for the specific directions in the thread. A lot of us don't know some things that others consider common knowledge.

So I went to the settings you mentioned and my hard disk power management was set to 5%. I changed it to 100%.

Should I change it back when I am not recording? Is there a downside for other functions?

I will try this shortly, see what happens and let you know. If this doesn't work, I will get back to you with my computer stats.

One last question: Any guidance on what buffer settings I should generally use for recording?

Thanks again.

2b
_________________________
i5-3210 laptop. Win 10 Home. 2.5ghz, 64 bit. 6gb RAM. Focusrite Scarlet 2i2.

Top
#526410 - 02/26/19 06:39 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 12/10/15
Posts: 674
Loc: Cornwall UK
Mike Head Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 12/10/15
Posts: 674
Loc: Cornwall UK
Hi

With buffer sizes the smaller the buffer the less the latency.
So IMO the smaller the better within the confines of not getting stutter and drop outs.
If it stutters, increase it a bit at a time say 50 or so depending who many steps you are prepared to try till it stutters no more , your latency will increase with each step.
As soon as you reach the right compromise stop. At this point I general add a tad more just in case the audio I am currently using in the future is a bit more complex than the test song.
In other words give your self a bit of margin for that odd extra complex audio function.
Just my thoughts
Mike
_________________________
BIAB2019,UltraPlus, Asus N55S,W10/64,Akai EIEpro,
Yamaha Clavinova CVP405,CoolsoftVirt,MidiSynth
Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd,Cakewalk blab,Kontakt

http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Top
#526412 - 02/26/19 06:51 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: Mike Head]
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 12340
Loc: Hamlin NY
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 12340
Loc: Hamlin NY
In addition to the excellent advice already given be sure to check anything that is running in the background. Things like anti-virus, anti-malware programs etc can cause those kinds of problems. I turn every background running program off and I disable my Ethernet card prior to using any of my music programs. YMMV.
_________________________
If you answer the phone with "Hello, you're on the air" most telemarketers will quickly hang up!

64 bit Win 10 Pro - the latest BiaB and RB - Roland Octa-Capture audio interface - a ton of software and some hardware.

Top
#526426 - 02/26/19 08:35 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
2bSolo Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 429
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
Thanks again to all.

The change to my power management settings didn't make a difference.

The track buffer size is 65536. I left that alone.

I changed some other buffer settings. I changed Preload Track Buffer to 1024. ASIO Buffer size is at 512.

Playback was aurally smooth but I could see the counter pausing now and then for part of a second. What I recorded was usually right on the beat. I wonder if the places it was late were the same places the counter was pausing?

When I got about 70 measures into the song, the skipping started. So I punched in from there, thinking maybe the system is trying to keep the earlier parts of the song. That worked for about another 60 measures. It it helps diagnose this, the song is at 130 BPM.

Any suggestions are appreciated. I will also call PG this afternoon. Thanks to all.

2b
_________________________
i5-3210 laptop. Win 10 Home. 2.5ghz, 64 bit. 6gb RAM. Focusrite Scarlet 2i2.

Top
#526456 - 02/26/19 11:52 AM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 12340
Loc: Hamlin NY
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 12340
Loc: Hamlin NY
When I an having drop outs, pausing, or skipping it is my ASIO buffers are set too low. Sometimes 512 is too low so I have to increase it to 1024 or 2048. This is for playback. When recording I set my ASIO buffers as low as I can, sometimes at 48 or 64. Converting MIDI tracks to audio tracks helps in getting such low buffers. Using Studio One Pro it is easy going back and forth between audio and MIDI. Sonar was the same way.

Also note that converting MIDI to audio can also lower your ASIO buffer settings in playback also.
_________________________
If you answer the phone with "Hello, you're on the air" most telemarketers will quickly hang up!

64 bit Win 10 Pro - the latest BiaB and RB - Roland Octa-Capture audio interface - a ton of software and some hardware.

Top
#526474 - 02/26/19 03:37 PM [RealBand] Re: Skipping and drop outs during recording [Re: 2bSolo]
Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19362
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19362
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Originally Posted By: 2bSolo
Thanks again to all.

... So I punched in from there, thinking maybe the system is trying to keep the earlier parts of the song. That worked for about another 60 measures. It it helps diagnose this, the song is at 130 BPM.


In RB the possible issue you mentioned can be tested.
If it is indeed the disk trying to write while reading at the same time, in the Audio Prefs area is a place to change your 'Temp Audio Directory', which is where incoming data gets written. I regularly record 8 tracks at a time without issue.
I usually use a separate drive for writing incoming data so the read drive does less work with less interruption.
Drives can be a bottleneck historically.

Also, try MME even if just temporarily. It may give clues.
Maybe something else is tapping on your ASIO driver and RB is having to share it.
If you were doing anything that needed ASIO, and this makes a difference, it could still be anything from driver issue to the VST(i) that got changed when switching to MME.
You can always very easily switch back but it reveal a clue as a quick test.
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top


PG Music News
Just Released: Xtra Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box for Windows!

164 amazing new RealStyles await you in Xtra Styles PAK 7! We've dreamed up some great new arrangements for your songwriting, production, and teaching needs in four volumes: Jazz 7, Country 7, Rock/Pop 7, and Americana 2.

Get all 164 new RealStyles in the All Xtra Styles PAK 7 for only $29 until September 15, 2019! (Reg. $49)

Specific genre packages are also available for $15 each!

For more information and to listen to demos, click here!

Band-in-a-Box® Features List!

Every version release of Band-in-a-Box® adds loads of new features and enhancements to the program, which we're sure can sometimes get "lost" in your knowledge of the program's capabilities.

Looking to learn about new features with a specific release? It's actually really easy to locate this information!

Learn tips on the new version (2019) by visiting Help | Tip of the Day and placing a check mark next to "Only Show Tips for Version 2019" (you'll also need to select "Show Tips at Startup", if it's not already).

Access the new features list for older versions in the Help Index of the program - from the left-menu, choose Contents | Features and a list of New Features will show - all the way back to Version 7!

#FeatureFriday

#TBT Band-in-a-Box® Goes to NAMM

As we get ready to head to Summer NAMM this year, we're remembering our time their last year - we had so many visitors stop by our booth!

Click here to take a peak!

Special thanks to Mike and all the RealTracks Artists and PG Endorsers who stopped by. Stay tuned for our Booth Visitors and other happenings from Summer NAMM on July 18-20, 2019! If you find yourself at the event, come say "Hi!" to us at booth 234.

Band-in-a-Box® for Windows StylePicker Feature - Finding RealTracks & MIDI SuperTracks

Did you know... Within Band-in-a-Box®, quickly find styles that use RealTracks (or MIDI SuperTracks!) in a certain range by pressing the [Other] filter button in the StylePicker window and select "Styles that contain RealTracks or MIDI SuperTracks in a number range".

#WisdomWednesday

Band-in-a-Box® Tip of the Day!

Did you know that Band-in-a-Box® will show you some helpful "Tips" when you start the program? What a great way for new program users to learn all the features of the program! Want to know Tips on just the latest version? This feature can be adjusted to just show the Tips for that too.

Maybe you're a long-time user of the program, and have this feature turned off? To access Tip of the Day (450+ available!), head to Help | Tip of the Day. Your Tip will appear right away - and you'll have the option of reading the Next Tip if you wanted too! Within this window is where you would also choose to "Show Tips at Startup" (if this is unchecked, you won't see them), or "Only Show Tips for Version 2019".

Here's a few Tips the program informed me of the last time I opened Band-in-a-Box®:

In the Piano Roll window, the 'Ghost Note' function allows you to view a single-channel, and see notes on all other channels display in light grey. This is useful when working with multi-channel tracks.

Want a bigger guitar display? Drag the bottom end of the Guitar Window to change its size, or press the SETTINGS button to set a custom size.

The Printout can use left and right MARGINS. This is useful to make printouts for small paper size or 3 hole paper that requires margins.

Edit | Nudge Chords/Melody. Let's say that you have entered a complete song chord progression, and you then realize that all of the chords starting at bar 23 are 1 beat to late. You can use this feature to slide your chords over by 1 beat.

#TipTuesday

Video - Using the Band-in-a-Box® Vocal Wizard

Check out this incredibly thorough video created by Dennis Wilkins, which explains how he uses the Band-in-a-Box® Vocal Wizard! Click here to watch..

YouTube Find - Ballad for a Travelling Lady

We did a search for Band-in-a-Box on YouTube, and look at what we found!

Video - "Ballad for a Travelling Lady" by Stefan Leipziger

What a great use of Band-in-a-Box! Check out Stefan's YouTube Channel for even more of songs he's created with the help of Band-in-a-Box.

Forum Stats
29898 Members
61 Forums
59284 Topics
500325 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
JIMJ, Barry Lup, Liza2019, WGE, Duderanch

29897 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Jim 144
Icelander 142
Janice & Bud 134
Deryk - PG Music 123
MarioD 115
zedd 113
Ember - PG Music 113
floyd jane 97
Matt Finley 94
Joe -PG Music 91
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays