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I've heard of garlic enemas, they are probably very therapeutic for vampires, but never heard of Tabasco sauce ones. It must be a western / cowboy interpretation of original recipe.
The first mention of the enema in medical literature is in the Ancient Egyptian Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BCE). (I had to look that up) Now, "vampires" also go back way back... into Greek mythology.
The modern day, good old vampires, as we know them, are derived from Eastern Slavic folklore, around 17th century and most likely unorthodox method of garlic enemas - as a secondary "tool of choice" was introduced around that time. I believe it is safe to assume that both garlic and enemas where well established items and are of disposal to vampire hunters of that time.
Tabasco sauce enemas seem to have different use. Administered orally, it causes reaction of alertness and wakefulness. Having good imagination, one can only predict the outcome if administered otherwise. In analogy to garlic enemas, we can see, it goes back into the time of "expired copyrights" There are two hypothesis of origins of Tabasco sauce as we know it. One mentioning goes back to late 1840s another, a more accepted one to late 1860s. Tobasco Brand maintains the copyright....
So the big question stands, Is the use of Tabasco sauce enemas are a breach of copyright...a cover? Or one has to go to Tabasco, Mexico, pick own peppers and create that special magic sauce that only you, the original pepper picker know the secret formula to....?
P.S. Questions, questions...I think it is time to give this a rest and start doing some music. Perhaps about Tabasco Enemas? Have to consult with Don G. if that is a possibility.
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I feel like I have been given a Tabasco sauce enema.
Sounds like a good title for a country song...
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I've heard of garlic enemas, they are probably very therapeutic for vampires, but never heard of Tabasco sauce ones. It must be a western / cowboy interpretation of original recipe.
The first mention of the enema in medical literature is in the Ancient Egyptian Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BCE). (I had to look that up) Now, "vampires" also go back way back... into Greek mythology.
The modern day, good old vampires, as we know them, are derived from Eastern Slavic folklore, around 17th century and most likely unorthodox method of garlic enemas - as a secondary "tool of choice" was introduced around that time. I believe it is safe to assume that both garlic and enemas where well established items and are of disposal to vampire hunters of that time.
Tabasco sauce enemas seem to have different use. Administered orally, it causes reaction of alertness and wakefulness. Having good imagination, one can only predict the outcome if administered otherwise. In analogy to garlic enemas, we can see, it goes back into the time of "expired copyrights" There are two hypothesis of origins of Tabasco sauce as we know it. One mentioning goes back to late 1840s another, a more accepted one to late 1860s. Tobasco Brand maintains the copyright....
So the big question stands, Is the use of Tabasco sauce enemas are a breach of copyright...a cover? Or one has to go to Tabasco, Mexico, pick own peppers and create that special magic sauce that only you, the original pepper picker know the secret formula to....?
P.S. Questions, questions...I think it is time to give this a rest and start doing some music. Perhaps about Tabasco Enemas? Have to consult with Don G. if that is a possibility.
The resident sniper would still find fault. Some folks seem to prefer living in misery and spoiling other folks' happiness.
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mmmmmm just read this from start to finish. anyone think American Tune by Paul Simon would be banned from PG Music show case? The tune is an old hymn tune, but the words are original and so the song is an original by Paul Simon.You couldn't do a cover version without permission but the tune is PD.
Not that he uses BIAB but if Paul Simon wanted to post American Tune i think he would be allowed!
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mmmmmm just read this from start to finish. anyone think American Tune by Paul Simon would be banned from PG Music show case? The tune is an old hymn tune, but the words are original and so the song is an original by Paul Simon.You couldn't do a cover version without permission but the tune is PD.
Not that he uses BIAB but if Paul Simon wanted to post American Tune i think he would be allowed! That happens a lot. "My Way" was written to a French tune with different and original lyrics by Paul Anka and originally recorded by Frank Sinatra. So Frank Sinatra did a cover of a Paul Anka song that was actually a cover of another melody/song....
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That brings up some good points.
Morning Has Broken (made famous by Cat Stevens) was written by Eleanor Farjeon. She was born in 1881, although I believe that the hymn was not penned until 1931.
Who would be rightfully concerned if a cover was made, Eleanor or Steven?
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Probably Cat Stevens cause Eleanor is like dead now! If not then we got other issues
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But someone will have the rights to Eleanor's song. Lots of songwriters are no longer with us. But somebody still cares about the copyright of those songs, you better believe it.
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This may be of interest re. Morning Has Broken, also some info of interest re. "recycling" folk tunes. Cat Stevens and BUNESSAN Bunessan on the other hand, is a folk tune which had already been collected by someone else. In this case, only Shaw's particular arrangement, the one in Songs of Praise (paired with Morning has Broken), remains in his copyright. To explain further: Whilst a lot of people growing up in the mid-20th Century would have been familiar with the Anglican hymn Morning has Broken, Cat Stevens, having been to a Roman Catholic school, was not. In an interview about MhB, he explained that he had came across an old school hymn book for the first time and had found it to be a compendium of folk tunes , a musical treasure-trove. Thumbing through, Stevens did not have to look far to find inspiration. Morning has Broken is Hymn No. 30, and, assuming it was a Victorian hymn, (the irony of it! Songs of Praise was written as an Anti-Victorian hymn book), he took it off to the recording studio, changed the key from B flat to C major, and made it famous. The assumption that it was a Victorian hymn was probably due to the discretion with which Martin Shaw made his copyright declaration: it is tucked away on page xi of the Preface. Nowadays composers know better, their names proclaim their good work alongside the title, original work or no. Because, as a result of Cat Stevens using Morning has Broken without permission, the Martin Shaw estate brought a court case. The Farjeon Estate own copyright for her poem, but even though Martin Shaw was the primary cause of the hymn, (he had asked Eleanor Farjeon Estate to put words to the tune), Cat Stevens won the case. The judge's decision was that Martin Shaw's copyright extended to his arrangement only, not to the tune itself. Which is fair enough. Otherwise, anyone could use any old tune (e.g. Happy Birthday) and claim it as their copyright for evermore, which would lead to a copyright free-for-all. Meanwhile Morning has Broken continues to be Cat Stevens' greatest hit, which just goes to show that it's not the hymn-tunes which are boring, it's the way you play them. from; http://www.martinshawmusic.com/copyright.htmlRegards Vintage
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Dylan has an army of lawyers protecting his copyrights to satisfy the requirement to "aggressively pursue all infringements" or risk losing copyright protection. The government does not litigate in his behalf.
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Don Gaynor wrote; "The government does not litigate in his behalf."
In general, copyright disputes are civil issues, so should not involve government.
However, in certain territories, corporations with sufficient financial clout have
lobbied government to extend the life of copyright on their intellectual property.
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There is more than 1 definition of "original ".
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There is more than 1 definition of "original ". True point. See John here is an original! Originals are not near as scary as copies or clones. Ever hear of a movie called “night of the originals”? Just saying.
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If you want to cover a copyrighted song, you are free to do so IF.... you own the right to license the song and have bought the proper license and paid your fees to the owner of the copyright. Several folks have done that here in the past. To be legit, you simply post the license number in your OP.... Paying for a license gives you the rights to PERFORM a song. Ownership of the writing credit does not transfer. And this is not MY interpretation of anything. It is simply was the forum rule says. Also note that at no time did I ever mention anybody's name. I simply asked that PG step in and either enforce their rule or remove it. Bye.
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There is more than 1 definition of "original ". Can you offer a few? Original means "I created it. I wrote it. This is my own thoughts." Things along those lines. And i come back to the original thought again and a again. The forum says they must be your own work. No covers. I'm out. Do what you want.
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<<< The forum says they must be your own work. No covers. >>>
No. Read it again and read the complete statement of two sentences. They are connected and together become the whole.
"The songs must be originals, no copyrighted or "cover" songs. You must have all of the rights to the songs."
What if I created directly and personally by me; not a copy or imitation; not dependent on other people's ideas; inventive and unusual; the first or earliest; existing from the beginning a song composition. This song I created meets the standard definitions to be considered an original song composition.
Part One of the four regulation requirements to post a song on the User Forum has been met.
Part Two of the four regulation requirements is I record the song and therefore it's not a "cover" of someone else's work. Part two requirement has been met.
Part Three of the four regulation requirements is so far, composing, recording, arranging and producing the work, I have all of the rights to the song. Part Three requirement has been met.
Part Four of the four regulation requirements is I copyright the song. OOOOPS!!! Regulation is clear -- No copyrighted songs. I can't post...… Of course I can. The intent of the regulation is actually clear even though the copyright wording is ambiguous. The law usually defers to common meaning and would include copyright with cover wording and treat the two words together.
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I sold a 'song' several years ago. I wrote this song around 1970, early 71. I copyrighted this song with US Copyright in 1974 or early 75. I recorded this song with a band in 1975 and commercially released the album mid year 1975. Approximately 2017, I sold this song to a Record Company. I received a lump sum payment and agreement to receive quarterly royalty payments if my percentage of sales exceeds $25. The contract is for 7 years. The record company owns everything about that song. All media sources of production, arrangement, fair use, every source of income, etc, etc, etc worldwide for the seven year period of the contract. I can't reissue the original album without either securing the record company's permission and paying for the use of the song to be included on the album it was originally released on all those years ago. The record company has re-mastered the original recording and their use of the recording and song uses the original mix, artists, album artwork, songwriter (me) and all credits, etc involved with that original commercial release.
The record company owns the original, in it's original format and every format it can be duplicated or replicated in past, present or future for the term of the contract.
If the record company chose to use a PGMusic product to remaster the recording and then joined this forum. THE RECORD COMPANY MEETS EVERY REQUIREMENT OF THE POSTING REGULATION TO LEGALLY POST THAT SONG ONTO THE USER SHOWCASE. I can't do that with the same song. They use the song in its original form, using the original recorded release I wrote, arranged, recorded and performed on. It is an original, they have the copyright, it's not a cover, it's a re-release of the original and they own all the rights.
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About time we drew this to a close. It's been like on of those "open mike wars" of the 80's.
PD is a rich source of inspiration and education. Nearly all classical training, in one way or another, is based on PD, from Greensleeves to America, and, not simply because it is free. It is the foundation. Recordings of PD songs can be copyrighted, if that is the intent, based on originality.
I can only imagine what the real intent of the self important objection is.
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