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I was searching for a vocalist for a new song. I listened here & everywhere for a voice that suited the track. Heaps of excellent vocalists around but I also needed someone with a keen sense of power popish melodies and that focused my mind more. Clearly Torrey was someone I considered from the beginning but I was a little nervous about proposing a collaboration as he is the complete package on his own. I stumped up some courage and asked him and he very kindly and politely agreed to have a listen. Just a couple of weeks later Torrey had completed and forwarded a SET of vocals for the song all based on a melody of his devising. After I remembered to properly check my messages I found his message and links. It VERY short order the song was mixed, Torrey's approval for said mix, (he is, after all, the co-writer and I believe I had to ensure he was happy with the results), I sent it to the UK for mastering. The M.E. offered two slightly different mastering jobs and, as yet, neither Torrey nor I can decide which is the better. The progression, lyrics and structure were done by me in 1978, (in some respects VERY much the words of a callow youth but I decided to leave them unamended). I found the sheet of paper I'd written it on just a month or so ago. I recorded a draft backing from that. I played it for an excellent drummer/guitarist in Texas, Greg Loyacano, and he offered to do some guitars. Torrey came on board and whammo! With BIAB RealDrums as the very base of this song and BIAB as the means of testing the structure this is a true hybrid of technology and raw, expressive vocals and guitar. Lyrically simple and, for me, typically cynical here is Don't Come To Me a Bliss/cochrane song under the banner of Pygmy Beat Extended. Warning - it's a little loud. https://soundcloud.com/rayc/mst-dont-come-to-me-1and https://soundcloud.com/rayc/mst-dont-come-to-me-2This is a completed track but we would appreciate any feedback for future mixing as well as an idea of which version is THE ONE. Don’t Come (To Me) 1978/2019 Refugees of unknown emotions Hiding, going through the motions Surrogates of love’s devotions Don’t come running to me Don’t come running to me No, don’t come running to me Dislocated sex perversions Sundry other bored diversions Occasional street excursions Don’t come crying to me Don’t come crying to me No, don’t come crying to me Living with a pain aversion To potential thought immersion You could tell a better version Don’t come lying to me Don’t come lying to me No, don’t come lying to me Don’t come running to me Don’t come crying to me No, don’t come lying to me
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ray/Torrey,
A lot of raw power in this. It has a a good Power Pop vibe to it. Sort of a Joe-Jackson-goes-Green-Day thing . Very catchy sound.
The guitars sound really good. Bass, too. Both are clear and punchy. They are Loud on my speakers. Overpowering the vocal to the point that I could not understand any of the lyric. I listened to both version without reading the lyric and could not catch much in either version. The drums seem a bit low for the overall power of the song (to my ear - an opinion).
Torrey's vocal fits the song nicely.
I listened again while reading the lyric. They are well done and work well for the style.
Overall, I would choose the 2nd version (with the above caveats).
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ray/Torrey,
A lot of raw power in this. It has a a good Power Pop vibe to it. Sort of a Joe-Jackson-goes-Green-Day thing. Very catchy sound.
Overpowering the vocal to the point that I could not understand any of the lyric. The drums seem a bit low for the overall power of the song (to my ear - an opinion).
fj Thanks FJ, I had a LOT of trouble with the drums in this one. As a wav file they cut through a bit better but MP3 freq limitations and then Soundcloud mangling seem to have wiped off some bottom end. Vocal levels, I do have a tendency to have them lower in the mix - my psychedelic past catching up. Thanks for the comments. I've copied and pasted them into my notes for the session and will use them when I'm at it again.
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Ray...
All I can say is that this is a great sounding song...
Kudos to you & Torrey Bliss & Greg Loyacano on a terrific collaboration!
Aren't you glad you "stumped up some courage" to put this team together.
Jim
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Makes me wanna go and boost the gain a bit on our current post. Whoa...that gets your attention. "Dislocated sex perversions Sundry other bored diversions Occasional street excursions" Now there are some cool rhymes! Can't say we have a preference of one master over the other. They are both in you face good  Australia, the UK and the US. The power of the net. And more so when in talented hands like this. And, man, did Torrey and Greg ever deliver! Seems like they fell right into your intended groove with the write. An international collab that COOKS! J&B PS: "As a wav file they cut through a bit better but MP3 freq limitations and then Soundcloud mangling seem to have wiped off some bottom end." You don't upload wav files to SC?
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Hi Ray,
I prefer the second version more than the first. But it was a close call.
It has to do with the power of the song was more in the second version. And the instruments sounded clearer. The way they followed the vocals(in the chorus I think)I liked more.
But as I said, a close call.
Hans
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Ray / Torrey,
Torrey was a great choice for this song... He understands the groove and really gets inside the tune...
Too many good things about this one to list, so I'll just say it is EXCELLENT!
Loved it.
Bob
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I rather liked both versions. Thanks for taking the time to share.
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Ray, although it was a close call I liked the second version the best. Very powerful rock song that was done exceptionally well. I liked everything about this with the exception of the drums. I thought that they should be more in your face.
Overall all of you should be very proud of this song.
PS - NEVER send SoundCloud a MP3. ALWAYS send them a wav. That way the song only gets compressed once, thus it will sound better on SC.
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Ray & Torrey and Greg, Nice groovy ska! Torrey, I am glad Ray awoken punk in you This was an exiting listen. Cool to see talents join. Well done beyond any critique I can possibly have. Ray, excellent resurrection! Torrey done amazing work in the style I have not heard from him before! Guitar playing is perfect for this tune too. Ray, the only mystery part for me is, did you play bass on this or it is BIAB? On the personal level, I liked #2 better.
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Great showcase of one of great uses of the program--sketchpad and track producer. Great song. Loved the progression and the melody Torrey wrung out of it. I don't have the ears to tell you which version of the mix I preferred and why.
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Ray...
All I can say is that this is a great sounding song...
Kudos to you & Torrey Bliss & Greg Loyacano on a terrific collaboration!
Aren't you glad you "stumped up some courage" to put this team together. Thank you sir. I rather like it m'self. Yes, Torrey certainly is/was the voice of choice.
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Australia, the UK and the US. The power of the net.
And, man, did Torrey and Greg ever deliver!
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You don't upload wav files to SC?
Thank you J&B, Yes, internet collabs are great to conquer the tyranny of distance. I've worked with Greg many times - his drumming is better than his guitar playing even. Torrey is VERY talented which is why I was nervous. In my neck of the woods the internet is VERY, VERY poor - sometimes an email can't get through. I upload an MP3 on that basis and in the knowledge that there's less to compress. Thank you for your kind words.
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Hi Ray,
I prefer the second version more than the first.
But as I said, a close call.
Hans
Thank you Hans. I'm yet to make up my mind but the reasoning offered thus far will be influential.
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Ray / Torrey,
Torrey was a great choice for this song... He understands the groove and really gets inside the tune...
Bob Thanks Bob, Yep, Torrey really nailed it. Cheers for the kind words.
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...the drums. I thought that they should be more in your face.
Mario, thanks man, Yes, the drums were problematic not just mixing the stereo file into the project but also determining the levels. Most power pop is guitar driven with a solid rhythm section. I tried a stronger back line but it started veering into modern punk. Compromise was ensured by the difficultly of getting the snare high enough in the mix. I've explained my upload issues further up the comments list - the lack of ADSL/broadband width whilst paying for it is rather annoying.
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Ray & Torrey and Greg, Torrey, I am glad Ray awoken punk in you This was an exiting listen. Cool to see talents join. Ray, the only mystery part for me is, did you play bass on this or it is BIAB? On the personal level, I liked #2 better. Misha, thanks for the generous assessment. Yep Torrey was the right person to ask - very glad I did. My components in the performance are the bass, (my lovely 1981 made Vantage 4 string into a Behringer BDI21), and a nearly inaudible arpeggio guitar part blended in on one side.
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Great showcase of one of great uses of the program--sketchpad and track producer. Great song. Loved the... the melody Torrey wrung out of it. Thanks Tangmo, I should've also mentioned that I used the chord sheet screen from BIAB when recording into Reaper - even in my gigging days I needed a chord sheet nearby to give me the confidence to play through a complete song. I usually don't look at it but I can't cope without knowing it's there. It's a cool tool indeed.
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Hi Ray, Torrey and Greg,
This is definitely one to be proud of. Even though this is a genre that I have little experience with, you help my attention all the way through.
In relation to floyds comments about the drums, have you tried the CLA Drums plugin? It's excellent. If you don't have the CLA suite, I urge you to pick it up next time Waves have a sale (which happens regularly). I paid $59 for the whole bundle. Alongside Ozone and Nectar, the CLA plugins are 'musts' in my productions.
I enjoyed listening to this a lot.
All the best,
Noel
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Hi Ray, My observations are very simular to Floyds.
I also felt that track two was better. Very enjoyable,
Rob
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