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#533317 - 04/18/19 01:10 PM
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I stumbled upon a website today that has at least a dozen of our songs available to play and download. Each song is accompanied by the photo we used when uploaded to SoundCloud. From what little I've been able to determine: - The site is registered as located in Burnaby, Canada; however, that could be spoofed. - The URL of the site is syloken.com - LOAD AT YOUR OWN RISK. - Playing a song does not take you to SC - Down loading one requires flash and I'm not about to go that route. - Since there is a band of the same name it is difficult to search for comments about the site. How did they rip them from Soundcloud sans a hack or recording each one? And I only had a couple of the songs available for download. Even more strange is that their opening page lists many popular songs available for download...also free. Disturbing to say the least. I attached a screen shot of their page (partial) with our music. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bud EDIT: Other forum folks's music is also there. 
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#533322 - 04/18/19 02:02 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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Hmmm, I see a whole bunch of my songs are on that site too, also available for download with the song pics from soundcloud.
None of my songs on soundcloud have download enabled.
How did they do that?
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#533323 - 04/18/19 02:17 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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Only thing I can figure is they used a bot to record them from SoundCloud and then load them to their site. But why are they doing that with folks like J&B? SC has millions of songs. I don't think we are in much demand.
Bud
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#533328 - 04/18/19 02:43 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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How did they rip them from Soundcloud sans a hack or recording each one? And I only had a couple of the songs available for download. Even more strange is that their opening page lists many popular songs available for download...also free. Disturbing to say the least. Any thoughts? Thanks, Well....I checked that link you noted.....and did a search. They do list "You're Lookinng For World_Remix" there.....huh? Under that song I clicked my 'chulaivet1966" link and ALL the songs I have on S/C are listed on a new page also. No...it's not the S/C profile page...it's their page layout. My drivel does not have what one calls a 'fan base' so it is puzzling. I'm befuddled and can't see how any website entity could benefit from doing this? I'll be watching what other G2 comes into this thread regarding that site. Carry on....thanks for giving us a heads up.
Edited by chulaivet1966 (04/18/19 02:49 PM)
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#533331 - 04/18/19 03:09 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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Just for giggles I decided to search to see if they had any of my tunes, so I typed http://syloken.com/mp3/kajunjeaux/, and sure enough I found four of my tunes there. When I used the pull down menu and looked under 'Newest Music' my Kajunjeaux name was listed. It appears everyone's music at SoundCloud must have been moved there. Kajun Jeaux
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#533332 - 04/18/19 03:09 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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Bud,
I just checked and see some of my stuff there as well. Really weird - I also see it's a WordPress site, which means they have some advanced media tools, etc.
The other interesting thing is that the music (mine anyway) sounds like it has been boosted volume-wise, again very strange.
No idea how they could have lifted this content from SoundCloud, especially if the tracks do not have the download feature enabled - plus they cleanly lifted the artwork as well...
Thanks for posting this - kind of disturbing and would like to investigate a bit more. If they lifted this content, what else from SoundCloud could they have? Profile information? That would suck!
Bob
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#533333 - 04/18/19 03:13 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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Seems they have most folks. Even the stuff I had on Soundcloud is there. I only had stuff on Soundcloud to see how it worked. I don’t see how anyone would be all that interested in my stuff.
I accidentally went to a different page off this site it came back with an error and pointed me off to a site with a URL ending .me. This is very suss.
Tony
Edited by Teunis (04/18/19 03:30 PM)
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#533342 - 04/18/19 04:01 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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That's scary. I wonder if it's just all people on SoundCloud?
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#533351 - 04/18/19 04:52 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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I just looked up the domain registrar...….foreign owned
Registrant Contact
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 0823-03411, Panama Panama PA
Phone: +507.8365503
Ext:
Fax: +51.17057182
Fax Ext:
Email:201aa0be5af345449436ef99cb155378.protect@whoisguard.com
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#533353 - 04/18/19 04:54 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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What is WhoisGuard?
WhoisGuard is a privacy protection service that prevents people from seeing your name, address, phone number and email when they do a Whois search on your domain. It puts its address information to the public Whois instead of yours to protect you from potential spam and even identity theft.
So the thief is trying to hide....
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#533355 - 04/18/19 05:00 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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Nothing came up for my name so it appears they're only ripping off you talented guys. 
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#533357 - 04/18/19 05:01 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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#533359 - 04/18/19 05:22 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
[Re: Janice & Bud]
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Another site showed the Canada information you referenced Bud:
Datacenter: Cloudflare, Inc.
Server IP: 104.27.157.174
Location: Canada
City: Montreal
Nameservers: bayan.ns.cloudflare.com, lisa.ns.cloudflare.com
So that just means the website and data are stored there.
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#533360 - 04/18/19 06:01 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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Nothing came up for my name so it appears they're only ripping off you talented guys. Nothing came up for my name so it appears they're only ripping off you talented guys. Haha. Did you search on your SC name or log-in?
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#533362 - 04/18/19 06:11 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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Yep!! I'm not that talented but they also have a bunch of my SoundCloud songs, about 14. I did just write to report to SoundCloud, not sure what good that will do.
Edited by Belladonna (04/18/19 06:21 PM)
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#533376 - 04/18/19 06:51 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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Hmm... evil bird spreads the seeds? Some of my stuff is there too. I doubt S.cloud will or can do anything about this... But I believe Google can... at least remove it from their search engine. If somebody wants to write to them to block this site, I will sign it. https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3110420?hl=en
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#533389 - 04/18/19 08:08 PM
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Re: Ripoff alert!
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I just put in a complaint to Google. It appears each person must individually must file a complaint.
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#533414 - 04/18/19 10:39 PM
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Only thing I can figure is they used a bot to record them from SoundCloud and then load them to their site. But why are they doing that with folks like J&B? SC has millions of songs. I don't think we are in much demand.
Bud Yeah they probably use a robot to rip the songs from sc and load them onto their site. A case of good software being used for a not so good cause. There may be many ways they make money from doing this, some of which we cannot even dream. They may be collecting email addresses or making money from advertising (affiliate links) who knows. I have learned from studying seo that if you get tons of visitors to your site there are tons of ways of making money. If you found them they are probably ranking in google.
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#533419 - 04/18/19 11:49 PM
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#533420 - 04/19/19 12:24 AM
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I found my stuff on loads of sites which I find unnerving. All the fuss about copyright on the net means nothing when work gets hijacked so easily. I have deleted my SC account, not that it will have much effect.
Update: They seem to have direct links to SC as my stuff has dissapeared from two sites after I deleted my account.
Check the privacy settings before you delete anything as it may not be neccesary.
How to protect your music from download on sites outside SoundCloud
Edit the track(s) you want to protect from download (click on the pencil)
Click on the tab Permissions
Uncheck all options
Save changes
Edited by sinbad (04/19/19 12:32 AM)
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