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#537615 - 05/22/19 12:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Sustained note plays through entire track when playing [Update] [Resolved]
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Hey all,

This is driving me up the wall :-(

Whenever I play a MIDI style, or sometimes even a song/demo with a single MIDI track, I will get a random note that starts on count-in and sustains through the entire duration of the track.

If anyone could help me with this I would very much appreciate it!

P.S. I have BiaB 2019 (whatever the full one is called these days, but not the audiophile) with all latest patches/updates installed.

Update: First let me say that I had tried the MIDI Panic thing before initially posting this without success.

A few more things have since popped up which may help narrow things down (and I will paste this in the OP, for the newcomers who are reading from the top).

1. It's not just MIDI styles, or even files/sings with a single MIDI track I have this problem with. RTs are now having a audio note from one the random tracks sustaining throughout even where no MIDI is present at all.

2. (and this one is the oddest). I found that if I mute and unmute the melody track in the mixer panel the note immediately disappears--this is regardless of whether or not that slot is actually populated with a track(!)

So, in short, it appears that this is not a MIDI thing, and I'm getting a strange hunch that this may be a driver thing? I just updated all my drivers yesterday, so I have no idea why I'm getting this hunch in the first place...

Anyway, thanks again for all the kind offers of assistance!

Edit 2: Got weirder, adding to clip showing the glitch in action:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18hn_dBta-UlVXPkY474jZKrGRHa4qyQX/view?usp=sharing


Edited by DeaconBlues09 (05/23/19 12:20 AM)
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#537649 - 05/22/19 05:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Hi
This is odd, normally caused by sending midi note on but no midi note off as in overlapping midi notes of the same pitch therefore keeping the first note on.
Can be most often caused by corrupt midi file or data stream sent to the synth.

Cant see that being your prob with BIAB stuff, but could be a prob with 3rd party midi files.
PS. can you clear it with Midi panic (shut off all midi notes) under the midi icon?

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Edited by Mike Head (05/22/19 05:43 AM)
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#537651 - 05/22/19 05:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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This happened during beta testing, but was fixed (I know because I experienced it). I would freeze a file that does it and send it to support with a reference to this thread.

What are you using for your MIDI sound? Have you tried changing it to something else to see if it could be related to your MIDI sound source?
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#537655 - 05/22/19 06:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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In case you ever need it, go to http://www.nortonmusic.com/midi_cc.html (list of MIDI continuous controllers) and scroll down to continuous controllers 120 through 123 - you can turn all sounds, notes, and continuous controllers off with a MIDI message.

I've noticed that sometimes two overlapping notes on the same pitch, one shorter than the other might trigger a stuck note. A look at a MIDI event list might make it easy to spot the double. If you recognize the pitch and can figure out what bar it starts on, you can transpose one of the notes, shorten the offender and then re-transpose the note back to its correct pitch.

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#537658 - 05/22/19 06:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: jford]
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Also if this happens again stop the playback and look at the track in the piano roll view (PRV). If it is a MIDI track problem there may be one long note throughout the track. Also look for overlapping same notes as has been suggested.

As John said what sound source are you using? If the polyphony setting is lower that the number of notes being sent to it it may be missing the end of a note.
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#537666 - 05/22/19 07:19 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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If it’s in the song, go to the Melody or Soloist track and do a Step Edit. You’ll see one note with an unusually long length.
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#537687 - 05/22/19 08:33 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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You might also mute each track to see if it is in one of the BIAB tracks.
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#537726 - 05/22/19 03:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Deaconblue,

Mike mentions "Panic". The shortcut for this is F12.

I haven't used BIAB with MIDI for a while but the problem you mention seems similar to the one that I experienced earlier this year when I was writing a melody. Every once in a while, a midi note started playing and would not stop until I pressed F12. Then, after I'd enter a few more notes, the problem would start again.

Curiously, the above happened on BIAB64. When I switched to BIAB32, everything worked fine so I finished my song using BIAB32. Have you tried both BIABs?

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#537787 - 05/23/19 12:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Thanks for all the input guys,

I have a bit of an update, but first let me say that I had tried the MIDI Panic thing before initially posting this without success.

A few more things have since popped up which may help narrow things down (and I will paste this in the OP, for the newcomers who are reading from the top).

1. It's not just MIDI styles, or even files/sings with a single MIDI track I have this problem with. RTs are now having a audio note from one the random tracks sustaining throughout even where no MIDI is present at all.

2. (and this one is the oddest). I found that if I mute and unmute the melody track in the mixer panel the note immediately disappears--this is regardless of whether or not that slot is actually populated with a track(!)

So, in short, it appears that this is not a MIDI thing, and I'm getting a strange hunch that this may be a driver thing? I just updated all my drivers yesterday, so I have no idea why I'm getting this hunch in the first place...

Anyway, thanks again for all the kind offers of assistance!
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#537789 - 05/23/19 12:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Got odder, adding link to clip where you can see the issue play out in 2 seperate examples.

Edit 2: Got weirder, adding to clip showing the glitch in action:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18hn_dBta-UlVXPkY474jZKrGRHa4qyQX/view?usp=sharing

Thanks again!
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#537801 - 05/23/19 02:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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That is weird!

Can you try selecting the Silence track for the Melody Track and then regenerate:


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#537803 - 05/23/19 02:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
That is weird!

Can you try selecting the Silence track for the Melody Track and then regenerate:


As I mentioned in the update, this is an issue regardless of whether or not the Melody track is populated.
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#537809 - 05/23/19 02:19 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Yes... very strange indeed.

Did you try returning to factory settings?

Also, does this happen when (a) you change audio drivers (say ASIO to MME, etc.) and (b) if you change to a different softsynth?

Lastly, as mentioned in my post above, does this happen with BIAB 32-bit as well?

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#537811 - 05/23/19 02:34 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: Noel96]
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Originally Posted By: Noel96
Yes... very strange indeed.

Did you try returning to factory settings?

Also, does this happen when (a) you change audio drivers (say ASIO to MME, etc.) and (b) if you change to a different softsynth?

Lastly, as mentioned in my post above, does this happen with BIAB 32-bit as well?

Regards,
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Hi Noel,

1. Tried resetting to factory settings.

2. Audio driver always on MME

3. Never changed default Softsynth (although I loaded audio and MIDI plugins/VST(i)s at times...and does not seem to be related).

4. Tried the 32 bit thing, and it GETS WEIRDER. With the 32 bit, both on songs or demos that all audio, all MIDI or mixed, there is a "chirp" that sounds like a MIDI GM-type distorted electric guitar that plays as a single "shot" at the first beat of the count in.
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#537812 - 05/23/19 02:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Oh, I also think I should note that this does not appear every time a replay or regenerate something. More like 80-85 percent of the time
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#537814 - 05/23/19 02:45 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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A couple of additional thoughts...

1. Are you running the latest update? We're currently up to 628.

https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm

2. If this problem has appeared after installing the latest update, try download a previous update, install that (it will overwrite the latest update) and see if that makes a difference.

Also, in this instance this is something I'd try, the ultimate factory reset is to go into "bb\Preferences" and rename "MySetup.DK" and "intrface.bbw" to something like "MySetup.DK.old" and "intrface.bbw.old". This effectively deletes them and forces BIAB to make new versions of these files. (By renaming them, it's possible to get them back if needed.)

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#537815 - 05/23/19 02:55 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: Noel96]
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Originally Posted By: Noel96
A couple of additional thoughts...

1. Are you running the latest update? We're currently up to 628.

https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm

2. If this was appeared after installing the latest update, try download a previous update, install that (it will overwrite the latest update) and see if that makes difference.

Also, in this instance this is something I'd try, the ultimate factory reset is to go into "bb\Preferences" and rename "MySetup.DK" and "intrface.bbw" to something like "MySetup.DK.old" and "intrface.bbw.old". This effectively deletes them and forces BIAB to make new versions of these files. (By renaming them, it's possible to get them back if needed.)

Regards,
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Well I'll be gobsmacked!

I was on update version 625, which is crazy cuz I'm usually obsessive about running the update checker utility.

Updating now, and will post, er..., update, lol
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#537816 - 05/23/19 03:11 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Well, that was an odd one.

When Noel asked if I was using the latest update, I almost took offense at the notion that I would post this whole thread and try a million different troubleshooting options without even making sure I had the latest patch...but there you have it. I updated it and it works.

Thanks Noel!

As an addendum, to take a stab at what may have been an issue (beucuse I never had this issue prior, and this was not an issue cited as fixed in the patch notes) I confirmed that I had installed the RealTrack patch which was issued at a later date than the v625 I was running the core program on, so maybe there was some sort of conflict there? Who knows?

All's well that ends well, as they say :-)

Thanks again to Noel, and all the rest of you, for your patience and assistance!
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#537828 - 05/23/19 05:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Hey DB,

I'm glad you got it working.

Thanks for letting us know what the problem was.

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#537830 - 05/23/19 05:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Sustained note plays through entire track when playing MIDI styles/songs with MIDI tracks [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Very interesting. The theory that a later RealTracks update installed on an earlier build caused the problem makes sense. It would explain why this problem was not widespread.
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