Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756 |
Hey there fellow forumites,
So I recently upgraded to a custom rig that, although I use it most the time for my work unrelated to music (I work remotely), I specced it out with all these extra goodies specifically with BiaB in mind (OK, I confess I also added a nice graphics card so my son could game on it now and again).
After a fair amount of research, I decided to go with a custom rig I had a local dealer assemble for me. I had determined that with respect to the CPU, I wanted the i5-9600k. The CPU, paired 16 GBs of DDR4 RAM, a smallish SSD and a large HDD, has utterly changed by experience with BiaB/RB for the better with respect to RT generation times and overall smooth operations.
From what I've read in these forums over the years, and keeping in mind that I am not very computer literate compared to a lot of you folks, there is a serious curve of diminishing returns with respect to BiaB and one's PC hardware. That said, I like running lots of VST(i)s/plugins now and again, and am also aware that the "k" in 9600k has something to do with overclocking. (Tbh, the overclocking thing was not a substantial factor in choosing the CPU...it was the number of cores, threads, and the fact that it runs at 3.7 Ghz).
However, as a guy whose mother always told him to eat his peas, I hate to see something go to waste. And if there is some untapped capacity that my CPU was designed for, I want to avail myself of it if it can enhance my user experience and workflow. So does the "K" mean the chip is already overclocked, or that it is safe to do so? If the latter, will I get much out of overclocking it for my particular uses? What would be the best way to go about it?
I've seen posts on various forums about the dangers of overclocking and how it can melt your CPU, and as I mentioned, as someone who uses his PC for my regular dayjob 75 to 90 percent of the time, (which involves lots of word docs, excel spreadsheets and the like) I don't want to assume the slightest risk of ruining my brand new PC for whatever marginal advantages, if any, I could get from overclocking my CPU.
Any advice, insights, or incites would be greatly appreciated!
TIA :-)
DB09
Band-in-a-Box 2021 PlusPAK w 2019 Bonus Pak. Custom Build Desktop PC W/ Windows 10 Home 64-bit. CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k @ 3.7GHz (6 core x 6 threads) RAM: 16GB DDR4. Storage 238GB SSD + 2.7 TB HDD. GPU: ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732 |
Overclocking tends to be used by gamers to squeeze that extra little bit of graphics power out of the card to increase video speed in games. I've dabbled in this in the past and there's a fine point at which you increase this and it crashes the PC. I tend not to do overclock because of this tendency to crash. I do have a high end PC with an expensive video card so I can game and also do video rendering. If you have a nice video card, just let it run normally, not sure if overclocking would do anything at all for audio. .....one man's opinion of course!
Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics. PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867 |
No.
I value stability over speed.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 507
Journeyman
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 507 |
............ So does the "K" mean the chip is already overclocked, or that it is safe to do so?
It means it is capable of overclocking. If the latter, will I get much out of overclocking it for my particular uses? Doubtful. I've not noticed any difference on my rig. Then again, haven't tried with a mess of vst's. Your son's games might benefit. What would be the best way to go about it? You would set the parameters in the BIOS. Instructions should have come with the motherboard (if self-assembled) or with the computer. Tons of instruction on the web. Here's a random example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVdwyxsqGA0Looks like that's a Gigabyte mobo. My ASUS has a simpler (UEFI) interface. I would suggest reading up on overclocking before attempting it, because, as you mention, some of the parameterization is potentially damaging if misused. Good luck. -Ron
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,367
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,367 |
I do overclock my rig a bit as you can see from my sig. As mentioned above, the key is stability and controlled temperatures. Stability can be proven through long stress testing and temperature control results from using heat tubes for air cooling or water or nitrogen liquid cooling. With that said, will you see significant improvements in BIAB generation times...marginally...I do notice some with a slightly less than 10% overclock. Since you have a K series processor and if you'd like to play with this a bit, take a look at a special app from Intel called ETU, Extreme Tuning Utility. If you do overclock, be sure to run extended stress tests after you tweak the processor and cache ratios. Run the stress test for hours! If you gone too far, your system will shut down during an extended stress test or during a defrag or during a full virus scan...all of which place huge loads on the system. More than likely this will result from temps getting to high. If this happens back off on the processor and cache ratios. Only use the basic tuning section, do not go into the advanced tuning section or you risk serious issues. Here is a link to that app --->>> https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU-Jeff
Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2024, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756 |
Thanks for all the advice, guys!
I think that I'll go with the age-old "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" adage for now. :-)
Band-in-a-Box 2021 PlusPAK w 2019 Bonus Pak. Custom Build Desktop PC W/ Windows 10 Home 64-bit. CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k @ 3.7GHz (6 core x 6 threads) RAM: 16GB DDR4. Storage 238GB SSD + 2.7 TB HDD. GPU: ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130 |
You can overclock a little, some more or a lot. While the plus side is the system runs faster than normal there are several negative side effects. Overclocking puts an additional strain on every system component, especially the power supply. The more you overclock the more heat is generated. The extra heat must be removed from the system or the system can overheat.
I would not overclock without consulting with your system builder. Does your system have the reserves needed to support overclocking? If so then by how much, a little, some or a lot? How about later on when you've added more system components or once the system has accumulated some dust bunnies?
Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,359
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,359 |
I concur with the O/P's final decision. Don't over-clock. Stability is far more important. If the CPU designer thought the processor should run faster, they would have already done that when it was manufactured.
BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414
PG Music Staff
|
PG Music Staff
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414 |
It looks like you've got some pretty concrete answers already but I would advise against adjusting that stuff - unless you are a hardcore gamer it really isn't necessary.
Cheers, Deryk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 756 |
It looks like you've got some pretty concrete answers already but I would advise against adjusting that stuff - unless you are a hardcore gamer it really isn't necessary. Thanks Derek, Although my 14 year old son is really into gaming, and he loves to use my new PC, I could personally care less about it, so I'm gonna take everyone's advice here and leave things as they are.
Band-in-a-Box 2021 PlusPAK w 2019 Bonus Pak. Custom Build Desktop PC W/ Windows 10 Home 64-bit. CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k @ 3.7GHz (6 core x 6 threads) RAM: 16GB DDR4. Storage 238GB SSD + 2.7 TB HDD. GPU: ZOTAC NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326 |
I use the same philosophy..... if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
Talk about leaving unused potential on the table, or in the box as it were..... I'm running a chip capable of quad core operation in 64 bit mode....with an old ( not supported anymore) 32 bit XP Pro operating system. That's leaving a ton of unexploited potential unused.
Why, you might ask?
Well, I also built a custom machine and decided to load that OS because it was know for it's stability. Without any of the junk stuff in it, it is and has been and should continue to be a solid platform from which to work. It's also not connected to the internet and therefore doesn't pick up anything malicious and no unwanted update attempts that screw up and reset settings carefully selected to run clean.
Just my observation and opinion.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 06/10/19 03:16 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867 |
Ok, a little more on this.
When they test chips, they rate them and sell them at speeds known to work without overheating. Individual CPUs vary. You might be lucky and get one that can be sped up by 20%. Others will crash if you are stressing them at all.
In my opinion, it’s not worth messing with. Spend the time cleaning dust out of your case and off the fans. Your CPU will thank you.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732 |
Agreed. I'm overdue to take my PC outside and take the leaf blower to it. Found this works a lot better than putting on tiny attachments to the shop vac.
Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics. PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867 |
Steve, I do that, too. One tip: secure the fan blades from over-revving. That can damage a fan.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,326 |
Agreed. I'm overdue to take my PC outside and take the leaf blower to it. Found this works a lot better than putting on tiny attachments to the shop vac. Yep... but don't use the garden hose or the power washer.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Video: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
Paket | Was ist Neu
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,635
Posts735,276
Members38,522
|
Most Online2,537 Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|