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#541758 - 06/19/19 08:01 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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I contacted him. Inconsistencies is no way to work.
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#541759 - 06/19/19 08:03 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Help me here Tom.
How do you load the 332 bar tune into RB. See if I'M doing something funky. Not familiar with XML to be honest.
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#541760 - 06/19/19 08:05 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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<<<The focus of your post was on the use of BiaB to generate sections of a song and then to progressively insert those sections into RB as the full-length song is being developed.>>>
Yes, exactly. My post didn't mention the 255 bar limit specifically or the erroneous chord change the 240/241 bar boundary in RB because applying the technique described in my post prevents either of those circumstances from happening.
Applying the technique described in my post will fix the issue in your current project and avoid the generation limitations present in both BIAB and RB from occurring and prevents both issues from manifesting in any future projects, regardless of which program you use. In my opinion, if using this technique fixes your current issue and prevents the issue from occurring in all of your future projects, that is an actual solution and all three issues are resolved. You'll need to explain if I'm still misunderstanding.
What I presented to you is not a workaround but a change to the best practices of your workflow and solves these problems. I can understand all of that. However, if I want to use RB to work on a new song with more than 255 bars that doesn't have the kinks worked out of it yet as I've done numerous time with BiaB for songs with less than 255 bars, then I would prefer to not dive into your workflow recommendations until after I've worked out most or all of those kinks and finished or mostly finished developing my song. But I can't do that with my full length song in RB currently because of the problems that occur at the 240/241 bar boundary. So, I have to either go through extra steps to deal with those problems or cut out one or more sections in my song to reduce the bar count to less than 255 (in which case, I would just go back to using BiaB for this shorter version of my song instead of using RB). In such a scenario, your workflow recommendations is not a fix but rather is a workaround that makes the early stages of working out the kinks in a song that is being developed more complicated and time consuming than is desirable and necessary.
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#541761 - 06/19/19 08:06 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Help me here Tom.
How do you load the 332 bar tune into RB. See if I'M doing something funky. Not familiar with XML to be honest. All I do is click on File->Open and then select the XML file.
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#541762 - 06/19/19 08:08 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Silvertones, you also have to change the "End" bar count to 324, but this has no effect on the midi track of the melody being present, visible, and audible.
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#541763 - 06/19/19 08:15 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Same here!
Yes I know that.
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#541764 - 06/19/19 08:16 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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I'm using 2019 V4. So something may have happened. Y'all have only V3.
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#541766 - 06/19/19 08:22 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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I'm using 2019 V4. So something may have happened. Y'all have only V3. Well, that's good to know because it means that the latest version of RB's XML import function doesn't work properly either.
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#541768 - 06/19/19 08:23 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Actually, I just checked and found out that I have version 2.
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#541776 - 06/19/19 09:06 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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You learned a very important lesson regarding PGMusic support service. Yes,in 20+ years, I have seen them turn over backwards to help at times, but more often then not, crickets. That is why this forum is so important and why you just have to find a way to adapt to the program and find a way to focus on your music.  Thanks for that info. I've already done that with RB and with the BiaB workarounds, but I still think it's important to continue pursuing a fix for these issues with Tech Support. Considering what I know about software development, these issues should be fairly easy to fix with some changes to the code. Silvertones and I have already discovered that V4 of the XML file import function behaves differently from V2 (the one I have). So, apparently, Tech Support has already been messing with that code.
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#541794 - 06/19/19 11:05 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Tom sit down for this.
2019 Beta 1 is perfect all the way through. No issues at all.
The End
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#541795 - 06/19/19 11:15 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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BTW it took abt 15 seconds to generate a RT for the full 332 bars.
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#541797 - 06/19/19 11:30 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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In 2019 V4 the event list shows a whole bunch of notes occuring at bar 1-1-000 with no cc7 values. All notes same place.
In 2019 Beta 1 the event list is right, notes show and play.
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#541798 - 06/19/19 11:33 AM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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So Final answer:
RB does have a "Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241" and more using XML.
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#541800 - 06/19/19 12:01 PM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Tom sit down for this.
2019 Beta 1 is perfect all the way through. No issues at all.
The End So, what's the difference between Beta 1, V2 (the one I have), and V4 (the one you have)?
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#541802 - 06/19/19 12:05 PM
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BTW it took abt 15 seconds to generate a RT for the full 332 bars. That's pretty good for RB!
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#541804 - 06/19/19 12:14 PM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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I'm a Beta Tester and still had the first non public issue of RB2019 so I tested with that. The feature seems to have degraded as RB was improved up to Public V3 and worse in V4. I believe I am the only person with V4 as we were working on another issue that was very important to me.It fixed my JUKEBOX issue.
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#541805 - 06/19/19 12:18 PM
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Re: Glitch and erroneous chord change occurring between bar 240 and bar 241
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Wow, that's interesting. Have you informed Tech Support about this yet?
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#541807 - 06/19/19 12:28 PM
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#541812 - 06/19/19 12:47 PM
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I figured that you would have done so, but I just wanted to make sure, so I hope you don't mind me asking.
Btw, I just noticed that I have been officially inducted into the elite group known as the "Top Posters" for the past 30 days. If this discussion keeps on going (which I suspect it will), I just may end up making it to the top of this elite group and be crowned the "Top Poster King" for the past 30 days. I'm not seeking any fame or recognition for this, of course, but considering my "newbie" status (which was recently changed to "Enthusiast" and even more recently to "Apprentice," I was surprised to see my name listed there. To borrow from MusicStudent's words, I guess I've just been having too much fun here without realizing it. Ultimately, however, I can't take the credit for this "accomplishment" but instead have to thank all of you other users who have participated in this "outstanding conversation" (as Charlie Fogle recently put it) for making this possible. Rock on!
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Did you know that Band-in-a-Box® is more than 30 years old? I stumbled across this 1990 magazine article explaining the relatively new program, and think it's an enjoyable read for any Band-in-a-Box user - it really shows that we are always listening to user feedback when developing our program!
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(I think our name was a great start!)
"The final results are, to say the least, impressive. Band-In-A-Box achieves something that most hardwired auto-accompaniment sections have never been able to do - inject a degree of feel into the music. It really does sound more human than so many of the computer generated pieces I've heard."
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