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#541917 - 06/20/19 05:47 AM [Songwriting] To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year!
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Could you do it?? wink

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#541931 - 06/20/19 07:28 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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I think if you are doing instrumentals and using BiaB with RTs and RDs then yes you could do a song a day. However most songs would be just jams using different styles.
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#541936 - 06/20/19 07:37 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Well sure, it obviously can be done, no doubt.
The bigger question here is perhaps then the issue of quantity versus quality, whether if one consciously goes about to write a song out of something else than 'desire' of some sort, is the result ever going to be as good?
And then, with the share volume and pace of the work, how to avoid pitfalls like repetition, accidental plagiarism and so on. Issues that, granted, songwriters are faced with regardless, but I'd think accentuated by those two elements, volume and pace of work.

At any rate, this is in no way a simple feat to pull off.


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#541938 - 06/20/19 07:43 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Originally Posted By: Icelander
Well sure, it obviously can be done, no doubt.
The bigger question here is perhaps then the issue of quantity versus quality, whether if one consciously goes about to write a song out of something else than desire, is that ever going to be as good? And with the share volume and pace of the work, how to avoid pitfalls of repetition, accidental plagiarism and so on. Issues that, granted, songwriters are faced with regardless, but I'd think accentuated by those two elements, volume and pace of work.

At any rate, this is in no way a simple feat to pull off.


I agree that the quality of each song would be poor and probably with a lot of repetition. As you well know good songs, with very few exceptions, take more than one day. That is why I added the jam statement.

I would say that creating a good song,vocal or instrumental, every day for a year is impossible. YMMV
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#541949 - 06/20/19 08:23 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: MarioD]
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I would say that creating a good song,vocal or instrumental, every day for a year is impossible.
And a strong statement right there if there ever was one! laugh

Giving that, I'm increasingly impressed by what I'm currently listening too cool

p.s. I just wished the artist had provided more than just the final outcome of each song.. you know, from a pure songwriting perspective. But I guess for that there's always this short playlist from the same person:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs-yUG3Kl8f2nBQiTAjNcm56z8el34BNU


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#541979 - 06/20/19 10:23 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Quantity vs quality.

There's a good argument can be made for either side of that question.

Jeff Steele.... hit country songwriter with over 2 dozen #1 songs.... says.... you have to write every day and you have to try to finish the a song every day. You should average a song a day based on 200+ working days.... take the weekends off.... then, if you're doing it right, and learning from the mistakes, and writing on a consistent basis.... your writing should improve and maybe, you might get a cut if you are in the right place and keep working hard on the business end of the music as well as the writing end.
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#542003 - 06/20/19 12:28 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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What amazes me is people who say they work months or even years on a song. If it ain't a song in a week it ain't gonna be! laugh

The song a day thing does not surprise me and it is totally possible to write a song a day! And many of them will be good or a useful seed that may have never occurred otherwise. Plus the practice you get is invaluable.

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#542054 - 06/20/19 05:09 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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I definitely couldn't do it, but it'd be a fun challenge I am sure many are up to tackling!
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#542139 - 06/21/19 07:51 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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The problem is finding the time to set down and write. Steele says it's his job... get a cup of coffee and go into this home studio and start writing.

Most folks have to work a normal 8 hr day job, have families, and have other things that require our time. It's hard to find the time to set and write music for 1 hr let alone 6 to 8 hrs and everyday.

As John pointed out... if you have to work on it for a month or longer.... maybe it's not going to be a song. I agree, but also disagree. I've had a few tunes come out fully formed in a day or two, and sometimes in a few hours time, and others that took much much longer to whip into shape, spanning months, bordering on years. But mostly for me, if it's not formed into something significant in a week or less, it will not make it to song status.
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#542206 - 06/21/19 01:02 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
The problem is finding the time to set down and write.
There's certainly that too, I agree.
And I'm sure that sort of dedication and endurance, and by a young girl like that to boot as opposed to some seasoned professional, was a big factor in how that project I cited at the top found its way into our TV news in the first place,.
I mean let's face it, no boy of that age would ever have done this wink


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#542643 - 06/24/19 04:24 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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I do 14 songs every February and about 2 the rest of the year.

If I did it for a living I think I could do it

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#543103 - 06/27/19 04:17 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Wow - that is incredibly ambitious. I mean, I too think I COULD do it - but it'd likely be mostly garbage. I've heard some crazy song challenges before but this takes the cake!
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#543228 - 06/28/19 12:15 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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I don't think I would be able to do that. Sometimes I don't have enough ideas and creativity. I think it's better to write less high-quality songs, than many songs of low quality
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#543231 - 06/28/19 12:41 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Personally....

I'm no professional song writer and don't (wouldn't) do it for living anyway.
So...I would see no point in taking on such a task.

Hence, I would have no desire to approach song writing just for the sake of quantity.
I also would never think I could write any song to my satisfaction in one day (or one month) that would be worthy of putting on a public forum for any scrutiny from my peers.

I'm slow and very deliberate in this context and I'm not easily impressed with myself.
I'm just not that talented and I'm my worst critic.
To those that do, I'd guess over time it could help getting into the song writing frame of mind that one may desire.

Feliz Viernes gente....


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#543822 - 07/02/19 03:14 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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To those who say they prefer to avoid quantity and focus on quality, you have made an error in thought process and that is that you think these two words are mutually exclusive. That is not the case. Ask any person involved in learning any instrument or sport. Practice, and lots of it, results in improvement. There are very few home run hitters who take just one pitch per day, hoping for a home run from that one pitch

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#543875 - 07/02/19 09:11 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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If I wanted to (which I don't) I could probably do it. But I've already written a lot of songs. I feel like my "practice" is at the least well underway. How much practice does one need before he/she can begin to see that what is coming is gold, a diamond-in-the-rough, or wood/hay/stubble? How far into the "writing" does he/she have to go before he/she might be better served to spend some production time on one of last week's songs?

Of 365 songs, how many would I want anybody else to hear? Maybe 1 in 10--that's 36.5 songs. And how many would other people want to hear my Ernest Strummer persona perform? Maybe 1 in ten of those--3.65 songs. That's 32.85 songs written that I'd like to further produce. I'd have to give up a lot of days "writing" in order to make those 32.85 songs more listenable for an audience. I think there have been years when I accomplished that to my own satisfaction without writing 365 songs. Now I just don't want to.

I didn't set a goal, but there was a summer when I wrote about 100 songs. I can barely remember even writing more than half of those, and can't remember enough of most of the rest to redo them or even just play them. I can't say whether or not I was a "better" song-writer at the end of that summer than at the beginning. I certainly didn't feel like one. I just had a few keeper songs I didn't have before. Now I don't want to write anything I don't want to keep.

Personally, I think an aspiring song-writer would be better served "studying, learning, and/or analyzing" 365 songs a year and writing maybe 1 every payday. Production has always been a part of "song-writing" in recorded music and is more-so now than ever. Work on that between paydays. But--do what you want, because you're going to anyway.



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#543936 - 07/03/19 11:28 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Tangmo]
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Originally Posted By: Tangmo
Now I don't want to write anything I don't want to keep.


That's how I feel about my approach to writing songs too....

I only work on one song a time until it's done.
I have had two song ideas/concepts on the burner at the same time but only focus on one at time to completion.
Obviously, I'm not the song writing multi-tasker type.

The process of creative writing itself, songs with lyrics or just compositions, every day is one thing.
That sort of academic discipline I would always encourage.

But, for me, I'm just not confident or prolific enough to feel I could complete either (especially, lyrical quality/continuity) in one day and feel it would be done to my satisfaction or expectations.

No right or wrong....just different approaches.

Did I mention...."I'm slow". smile








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#543967 - 07/03/19 04:06 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: rockstar_not]
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Originally Posted By: rockstar_not
To those who say they prefer to avoid quantity and focus on quality, you have made an error in thought process and that is that you think these two words are mutually exclusive. That is not the case. Ask any person involved in learning any instrument or sport. Practice, and lots of it, results in improvement. There are very few home run hitters who take just one pitch per day, hoping for a home run from that one pitch

Hi Scott.

I've been pondering your comments since I first read them a couple of days ago.

While there's some truth in what you say, I'm not sure that songwriting is as straightforward as you make it sound.

For example, if I define a "song" as melody + chords + arrangement, then I could comfortably write a song a day. However, if I define a "song" as melody + chords + arrangement + lyrics, I would be unable to consistently write songs on a daily basis.

Lyrics for me are my slow point.

I can create a first draft of complete lyrics usually within a hour. That draft, though, is just a starting place. I then use dictionaries, rhyming dictionaries and thesauruses to modify words and dress-up phrases so that I have: (a) the best prosody possible; (b) the best syllable strength alignment with a note's rhythmical stress; (c) the most sonorous linking of words through rhymes, inner rhymes, assonance and consonance; (d) the best possible metaphors, similes and connotations. This all takes time. And with every change that I make, I need to let the words rest for a day or two so that I can come back to them with fresh ears and hear how they fit together.

In this regard, lyrics are like mixing for me. Aural fatigue sets in after a couple of hours and it's difficult to appreciate how well or not the lyrics flow.

Right now, I've been working on a single line of lyrics for three days. While I've certainly had a few 'adequate' lines that more-or-less work in those days, they have not grabbed me. This morning, my brain finally put a phrase together that says everything I want to say and the words flow with elegance. For me, lyric writing is more like the fermenting of beer. There's no way to hurry the process. The best I can do is to mix everything together, give it a good stir and then wait for the magic to happen as my brain works through various permutations and possibilities.

Just my two cents worth!

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#544117 - 07/04/19 04:40 PM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Noel96]
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Originally Posted By: rockstar_not
To those who say they prefer to avoid quantity and focus on quality, you have made an error in thought process and that is that you think these two words are mutually exclusive. That is not the case. Ask any person involved in learning any instrument or sport. Practice, and lots of it, results in improvement. There are very few home run hitters who take just one pitch per day, hoping for a home run from that one pitch

Hi Scott.

I've been pondering your comments since I first read them a couple of days ago.

While there's some truth in what you say, I'm not sure that songwriting is as straightforward as you make it sound.

For example, if I define a "song" as melody + chords + arrangement, then I could comfortably write a song a day. However, if I define a "song" as melody + chords + arrangement + lyrics, I would be unable to consistently write songs on a daily basis.

Lyrics for me are my slow point.

I can create a first draft of complete lyrics usually within a hour. That draft, though, is just a starting place. I then use dictionaries, rhyming dictionaries and thesauruses to modify words and dress-up phrases so that I have: (a) the best prosody possible; (b) the best syllable strength alignment with a note's rhythmical stress; (c) the most sonorous linking of words through rhymes, inner rhymes, assonance and consonance; (d) the best possible metaphors, similes and connotations. This all takes time. And with every change that I make, I need to let the words rest for a day or two so that I can come back to them with fresh ears and hear how they fit together.

In this regard, lyrics are like mixing for me. Aural fatigue sets in after a couple of hours and it's difficult to appreciate how well or not the lyrics flow.

Right now, I've been working on a single line of lyrics for three days. While I've certainly had a few 'adequate' lines that more-or-less work in those days, they have not grabbed me. This morning, my brain finally put a phrase together that says everything I want to say and the words flow with elegance. For me, lyric writing is more like the fermenting of beer. There's no way to hurry the process. The best I can do is to mix everything together, give it a good stir and then wait for the magic to happen as my brain works through various permutations and possibilities.

Just my two cents worth!

Regards,
Noel


Noel you implied that I said that songwriting is straightforward. I said no such thing. I did say that is an incorrect thought to presume that quantity is exclusive of quality. I said that they were not exclusive to each other. You take several days to write a line of lyrics. But I know that you have been through Pattison’s class and you don’t have time to take that long for each line to complete the assignments.

Some of my own favorite lyrics have come nearly without effort. But it takes practice. Practice of writing without worrying. Practicing “the Boxes”. Practicing prosody. Practicing writing a song in one sitting.

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#544162 - 07/05/19 06:54 AM [Songwriting] Re: To write (and publish) one song per day, for a whole year! [Re: Icelander]
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Thanks for replying Scott.

As I mentioned in my post, your thoughts caused me some serious reflection. Thanks for that. I honestly appreciated the opportunity to get my ideas in order.

You are absolutely correct that 'quality' and 'quantity' are are not mutually exclusive. You're also spot on when you say: "But it takes practice. Practice of writing without worrying. Practicing “the Boxes”. Practicing prosody. Practicing writing a song in one sitting."

My brain must be slow at the moment but, until I read your above post, it never occurred to me that the days I spend honing lyrics is pretty much practising my skills by using just a single song. And you're right, it does get easier.

These days, I'm much quicker than I was three or four years ago simply because of practising and taking the time to get my lyrics to be the best that I can. For example, nowadays I can look at a line and see that I need to start with a prepositional phrase or maybe a participle; I can also tell whether I should have a 'showing' phrase or a 'telling' phrase; which syllables of words should be on what notes for the best musical effect, etc. This knowledge has really streamlined the writing process for me.

Thanks again!

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Dodaliśmy ponad 50 nowych funkcji do Band-in-a-Box® 2020! Są udoskonalenia ścieżek RealTracks (Delikatniej brzmiące wokale RealTracks, Pogrubianie RealTracks, funkcja "Znajdź odmianę" dla RealTracks i MultiRiffów). Większość RealDrums ma teraz RealCharts (z dokładną Notacją Bębnów). Jest nowa Przeglądarka Artystów RealTracks umożliwiające znalezienie informacji/biografii/linków/listy ścieżek RealTracks dla wszystkich artystów. Nowa Przeglądarka Funkcji pozwala nowym lub "zapominalskim" użytkownikom na łatwe znalezienie i użycie większości funkcji/skrótów/dokumentów z poziomu jednego okna. Funkcja Wyrównaj Tempo pozwala na zmianę utworu nagranego w rytmie rubato i dostosowanie go do ustalonego tempa. Udoskonalono funkcje rozciągania brzmień audio w czasie/wysokości dźwięku (Elastique). Są też udoskonalenia opcji Wybory Utworu, automatycznych wstępów na Basie/Bębnach lub tylko samych bębnach (Auto-Intros), dodano 3,400 tytułów, są udoskonalenia w zakresie MusicXML, mamy widok dla gitarzysty "Leworęcznego" oraz "Widok dla ucznia" przy grze na gitarze, udoskonalenia opcji Przeciągnij i Upuść, multi-okna wyświetlającego Magika Audio Akordów i wiele innych poprawek!

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Add-ons Special EXTENDED! Xtra Styles PAK 9 & Loops-with-Style PAK 2...

There's still time to SAVE when you SUPERCHARGE your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition with 200 new RealStyles with Xtra Styles PAK 9, and 100 NEW Loops & 50 NEW Styles with Loops-with-Style PAK 2!!

We've EXTENDED our special until JULY 15TH!

Xtra Styles PAK 9 includes deep-south New Orleans gospel, a country soul groove, a psychedelic pop ballad, action-sequence cinematic metal, a Cajun jaw harp boogie, post-punk folk rock, quarter-feel jazz blues, several modern jazz styles, a modern Celtic folk reel, multiple 6/8 grooves, and so much more! There's a MultiStyle in every genre, and our biggest MultiStyle has a total of ten substyles! Add it to your collection today for just $29 (reg. $49)!

Loops-with-Style PAK 2 includes 50 new Styles & 100 new Loops to add to your Band-in-a-Box® collection! There are two new genres: gospel and funk, and we've added to the selection for electronic, hip hop, jazz, pop, R&B, rock, and world! Purchase Loops-with-Style PAK 2 on sale for only $19 (reg. $29)!

Already have a few of our Xtra Styles PAKs? Top up now - each of our 9 Xtra Styles PAKs are just $29 (reg. $49)! Don't have any, and want them ALL? Grab all during our sale for just $199 (reg. $349)!

Learn more about Xtra Styles PAKs for Band-in-a-Box and listen to demos here.

More information on Loops-with-Style PAKs can be found here.

Mac user? Click here for OS specific purchase links.

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