You need to be logged in to post
#545558 - 07/15/19 09:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Piano pieces quite glossy
Registered: 04/14/15
Posts: 326
Loc: Ottawa
Antho1965 Offline

Registered: 04/14/15
Posts: 326
Loc: Ottawa
In 2019 I upgraded to the Audiophile version hoping that would help with some of the glossiness that occurred when I was using the standard version of BB.

However even having a piano part that is only 10 BPM off the original piano part tempo still seems to cause a fair bit of glossiness or obvious stretching sounds to the piano. Some other instruments are noticeable as well but I find the piano the worst by far.

Is there something I can do setup wise to reduce or eliminate this effect, as I do use BB and RB for recording purposes and would like it to sound as good as possible.

Thanks All.

#545610 - 07/15/19 04:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Piano pieces quite glossy [Re: Antho1965]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16489
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16489
Loc: Australia

As you've pointed out, stretching RTs to fit slower tempos or shrinking them to fit faster tempos introduces the likelihood of creating audio artifacts. This depends on the instrument. Like you, I've found that piano RTs don't respond well to change.

A few years ago, PG Music used to recommend that -10bpm slower and +15bpm faster was a good range for most RTs. I don't know if this is still recommended or not.

If you want to get good sounds, MIDI Supertracks will allow for greater variation in tempo but the output sound quality will depend on the synthesiser you use. I find that with EZ Keys, MIDI Supertracks sound exactly like the real thing.

Other than that, it's possible to restrict BIAB to using non-transposed tracks where possible. This will help reduce the artifacts but may not eliminate them. The setting is found in "Song Settings" and it's called "Avoid transposition in Realtracks" -- activate this option.

With the above option active, BIAB will look for RTs that are exact and not transpose a close key. For example, if you enter an Ebm chord, with the option inactive, BIAB may well substitute Dm and transpose it upwards a semitone. With the option active, though, BIAB will look for Ebm and only transpose if the Ebm chord does not exist in the RT's audio track.

The reason I mention this option is because stretching an already transposed chord will increase the likelihood of creating artifacts.



#545612 - 07/15/19 05:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Piano pieces quite glossy [Re: Antho1965]
Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 20072
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Matt Finley Offline

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 20072
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
I concur with Noel about stretching or shrinking.

But when I hear the term “glossy” it seems like tone is being described. This is the most forgotten parameter of the mixer. Unless you make the mixer wider, you don’t even see a tone slider, only a number (0). In the event it helps, not with artifacts but with actual tone, give it a try.
BIAB 2020 Win Audiophile; [& 2020 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Cakewalk, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows Updated!

If you're using Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows along with the DAW Plugin, you're going to love the latest free patch update, which resolves any issues had with multiple instances of program files running that resulted in the DAW Plugin closing.

Learn more about this free update patch (which also includes VST DAW Plugin 2.6.8) and download it here.

#TBT - The Introduction of Xtra Styles PAKs for Band-in-a-Box!

We've just released Xtra Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box® 2020, and to celebrate we've put ALL of our Xtra Styles PAKs on SALE until June 30, 2020!

Xtra Styles PAKs were first introduced in August 2016, and required the Band-in-a-Box® 2016 and higher UltraPlusPAK, EverythingPAK, or Audiophile Edition.

You may notice that all of our Xtra Styles PAKs require the 'latest' UltraPAK or higher - this is because they utilize our complete (and at the time current) library of RealTracks and RealDrums.

What are Xtra Styles?
Xtra Styles are RealStyles created by our development team. They've taken our existing RealTracks and RealDrums collection and remixed them to make the new and unique arrangements heard with every new Xtra Styles PAK released.

These RealStyles are Band-in-a-Box® styles that only use RealTracks and RealDrums - the result: an incredible band to back you up and perform your songs

Xtra Styles PAKs are on SALE until June 30th!
Purchase the complete Xtra Styles PAKs library with over 1,400 RealStyles for the special price of $199 (reg. $349)

Already have a few of our Xtra Styles PAKs? Top up now - each of our 9 Xtra Styles PAKs are just $29 (reg. $49)!

Learn more about Xtra Styles PAKs for Band-in-a-Box and listen to demos here.

Mac user? Click here for demo and purchase links.

How-to Video: Section Text labels and Lyrics

Check out our special YouTube Channel, PG Music Inc. Support Videos, which is where we share videos our support team makes at the request of a customer, or to help out an existing customer issue.

The latest video, Band-in-a-Box How to: Section Text labels and Lyrics quickly walks you through section text labels and lyrics in Band-in-a-Box for Windows! Watch now...

Want to see a specific video? Share your request here.

#TipTuesday - Band-in-a-Box® Patch Updates

We never stop here at PG Music, so make sure that you check in on your installation of Band-in-a-Box® occasionally - we frequently release free patch updates to enhance existing versions, and fix 'bugs' reported by program users.

Windows program updates can be found here. We have a separate page for Mac updates, here.

You can also setup Band-in-a-Box® to check for updates automatically! Head to the Preferences window in the program, and select "Automatically check for updates every [__] days" (choose your number).

Not sure which "build" you have? Help | About... will bring up a window that will show your exact version number!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 - Xtra Styles PAK 9 & Loops-with-Style PAK 2 Bundle!

Have you heard? We have NEW Band-in-a-Box Add-ons!

Xtra Styles PAK 9 and Loops-with-Style PAK 2 will SUPERCHARGE your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition!

200 NEW RealStyles have been added with Xtra Styles PAK 9 - 50 Rock-Pop, 50 Jazz, 50 Country, and 50 Folk & Beyond 2!

Loops-with-Style PAK 2 includes 100 NEW Loops and 50 NEW styles, and adds 2 new genres to our Loops-with-Style collection: gospel and funk!

Bundle both the Xtra Styles PAK 9 and Loops-with-Style PAK 2 into one convenient purchase, only $48 until June 30th! Click here to choose your purchase.

Mac user? Click here for your order links.

RealBand 2020 for Windows Updated Harmonies Feature!

The latest RealBand 2020 Update includes enhancements to the harmonies feature, improvements for audio recording, and more!

Click here to review and download this free update patch (build 4).

Video: Band-in-a-Box® - Xtra Styles PAK 9 Overview & Demos

Xtra Styles PAK 9 includes 200 NEW RealStyles for Rock-Pop, Jazz, Country, and Folk & Beyond!

There are 50 new RealStyles for each genre, with MultiStyles included in each genre too!

Learn more about loading and using Xtra Styles PAK 9 in Band-in-a-Box® 2020 and listen to the demos for the 200 new RealStyles in Xtra Styles PAK 9 with our latest video: Band-in-a-Box® - Xtra Styles PAK 9: Overview & Demos.

Add Xtra Styles PAK 9 to your band for just $29 until June 30th! Order here.

Windows user? Click here for Windows purchase links and details.

Forum Stats
32249 Members
65 Forums
64488 Topics
546845 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
Eddy Bee, Cojande, cubemixer, leegeek, gitarrist8

32249 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
MarioD 213
VideoTrack 165
Pipeline 156
Janice & Bud 129
Matt Finley 127
floyd jane 107
furry 101
Scott C 101
rayc 99
Jim Fogle 98
Today's Birthdays
Bill Shafer, edsullivan1