You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#555305 - 09/18/19 05:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase)
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
when I've double clicked on one or more track icons in the plugin to tell BIAB to stream audio (stereo ) back to the host. **synchronised** with the DAW transport it seems I cannot get the arranger yellow cursor to follow the point in the song bar by bar.

is this something missing for now?
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555307 - 09/18/19 05:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Is it set in the Plugin's File > Preferences ? "Highlight bars during DAW playback"
_________________________
ReaTrak Integrate Biab & Plugin in Reaper
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool

Top
#555310 - 09/18/19 05:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Is it set in the Plugin's File > Preferences ? "Highlight bars during DAW playback"


yes
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555313 - 09/18/19 05:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
On another related note -

Although it was interesting and maybe helpful in some situations - for you to suggest the workaround of using multiple instances of the BIAB plugin on separate tracks to be able to stream in-sync separate instruments to the DAW - on experimenting with this - I think its not really that useful since any change chord progression-wise in this scenario has to be saved back to the original song file on disk - then all the instances would have to re-load that modified song in order to have this reflected in all plugin instances - and THEN each plugin would have to be re-rendered.

So for this scenario it really *would* just be much easier to drag all the audio into the DAW and use one plugin.

What would change this of course would be if - instead of the song data being stored in the saved-state data for each plugin as normal - that either all plugins would always read off the BIAB SONG on disk across all instances.

But this would still entail that after any change to the chord progression one would need to save to disk the song.

So a better alternative - ( but one probably not needed at all once multi-channel audio streaming is added ) would be if inter-process messaging was used between all instances if the plugin - so one plugin would be designated as "master" and the rest as "Slaves" and all "Slave" instances would derive the latest state of the song arrangement from the "master" plugin instance.

But again - for CPU efficiency and most likely - plain user friendliness - it would be best if one only used a single plugin instance.

Having said that - having used multi-channel sampler libraries like KONTAKT - it gets complex having several instruments in one plugin and all the multi-out business - and nowadays many users will - for KONTAKT - just use many instances.

But I guess a better example would be drummer apps like BFD, EZY drummer or Groove Agent - where its always one plugin but with multi-out as option. And as it happens EZ Drummer is a kind of "arranger" app in a very limited and focused kind of way so the comparison is more apt.


Edited by nonchai (09/18/19 05:50 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555315 - 09/18/19 05:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
I was about to suggest - as an interim stage - adding separate volume controls etc for each track for the plugin ( similar to how the mixer window in BIAB standalone operates ) but really - rather than wasting developer time on that - and thinking of how BIAB plugin works in a DAW production type workflow - it would be just far far simpler and logical to just add multichannel outputs and then we just always get used to setting volume and pan etc etc - in the DAW directly itself.

Which of course is where one really wants to be doing that kind of thing. I always thought that the idea of a separate mixer and channel strips etc in plugins like BFD and EZY drummer. made the whole business far more complex. as oe has two different places potentially in which this stuff can get tweaked!

I'm all for the simple life me.


Edited by nonchai (09/18/19 05:55 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555318 - 09/18/19 06:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
I think you would use the multiple plugin method if you have the chord chart you need, but for building a song best to use Biab main app until you have what you are happy with.

See the pic below, so you are not getting this chord sheet sync with the time line ?
Even with plugin set to Always on top Cubase hides the plugin window when you click on another window.



Attachments
Cubase-Sync-BB-Plugin.gif (83 downloads)

_________________________
ReaTrak Integrate Biab & Plugin in Reaper
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool

Top
#555322 - 09/18/19 06:45 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
I'm speaking of situations when that little icon is coloured blue,

there also seems to be some confusion in what the info box is telling me regrading double-clicking to turn off audio etc etc..

I end up fiddling between the CMD and CTRL keys to turn thing off/on - maybe this is just a work in progress and needing more documentation etc. Or its not working quite as intended yet,
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555323 - 09/18/19 06:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
Another thing - bearing in mind the amount of crackles - and now I understand there's a "helper" BIAB app ( Band IN A Box Engine ) running behind the scenes - is the plugin streamingaudio from BIAB Engine or directly (with time-stretching if needed ) from the rendered audio for each track off-disk?

I'd understand why there's so much crackle if there's interprocess messaging etc going on between plugin and BIAB Engine each time an audio block has to be fetched. Although apps like Vienna Ensemble pro do this all the time with much more workload on my machine at the same buffer size so ought not to be any issue.

Vienna ensemble - for each "SERVER INSTANCE" ( holding many plugins in it - ) there's just a single refresh event for all plugin hosted channels. But if BIAB is currently ( when several instruments are in BLUE - for synchronised streaming ) doing separate audio refresh processes for EACH instrument - along with all the IPC protocols required - this would cause issues.
Far better if the plugin does all the required streaming from disk directly


Edited by nonchai (09/18/19 07:09 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555339 - 09/18/19 07:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
in the picture you supplied none of the track icons are in light-blue. if you do the requisite clicking to make one or more of the tracks ( or master ) stream audio to the DAW in-sync I think you'll see that the song position indicator no longer follows playback.


Edited by nonchai (09/18/19 07:51 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555341 - 09/18/19 07:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
Also - I've just noticed that sometimes when I'm trying to double click on a track icon to make it go light blue in order to play and sync - nothing happens - even when everything is generated. silence.

if I click PLAY again and then STOP it plays back ok from the plugin ( but not in sync ) and if I then go back to hitting play in the DAW then sync playback works. So I think there are some intermittent bugs here.

clicking PLAY followed by STOP in the plugin and then doing the audio sync thing via DAW seems to make it work.


Edited by nonchai (09/18/19 07:55 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555375 - 09/18/19 02:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
How play/sync play is now is a hassle for users to work out that's why I suggested the example below to PG, you just left click the track/s you want to select and they highlight BRIGHT, now if you hit the Play button in the Plugin it will play those tracks, if you hit the Sync Host button they will play along with the DAW.

I was demonstrating on the Win Plugin and it's an older version without the double click the drag icon turns blue.

_________________________
ReaTrak Integrate Biab & Plugin in Reaper
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool

Top
#555404 - 09/18/19 04:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Originally Posted By: nonchai
Another thing - bearing in mind the amount of crackles - and now I understand there's a "helper" BIAB app ( Band IN A Box Engine ) running behind the scenes - is the plugin streamingaudio from BIAB Engine or directly (with time-stretching if needed ) from the rendered audio for each track off-disk?

I'd understand why there's so much crackle if there's interprocess messaging etc going on between plugin and BIAB Engine each time an audio block has to be fetched. Although apps like Vienna Ensemble pro do this all the time with much more workload on my machine at the same buffer size so ought not to be any issue.
...


Nothing is streamed from the BBW4.app the files have already been generated into the local folder.
What you can try is up-sample the existing 16bit 44100 files to 48000 and the bit depth your DAW is set to in the Saved Files folder then try sync playback and see if you get the crackling.
Just keep the original file names.
A simple way you could use a free tool like MediaHuman Audio Converter.
_________________________
ReaTrak Integrate Biab & Plugin in Reaper
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool

Top
#555456 - 09/19/19 02:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: nonchai]
Registered: 12/30/09
Posts: 14
Loc: Bedfordshire, England, UK
ColinMc1 Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/30/09
Posts: 14
Loc: Bedfordshire, England, UK
The sync host button doesn't exist on the Mac version - a feature that needs adding, as well as chord output to utilise the Chord Track feature within Cubase - my top 2 feature requests.


Edited by ColinMc1 (09/19/19 02:32 AM)
_________________________
Colin Mc

Other productions using BIAB:

https://www.bandlab.com/colinmc_123

Top
#555478 - 09/19/19 06:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
nonchai Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 227
Originally Posted By: Pipeline

Nothing is streamed from the BBW4.app


Speaking of the BB4 app - what is apparent ( and maybe mentioned already by you ) is that whenever a style is auditioned via the style picker dialog that currently goes out of the main Mac audio outputs.

This might be ok for some purposes but not others. There might be dramatically different volume levels at play between the Daw outputs and Mac main outputs. So clearly this might be a case where audio needs to be streamed from BB4 into the plugin


Edited by nonchai (09/19/19 06:47 AM)
_________________________
Mojave - Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
BIAB 2019,
Cubase 10, Ableton, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ..
Arturia Audiofuse, L6 HX Stomp, MASCHINE JAM, Komplete Kontrol MkII 88
podgy face, beer belly, bald patch .... yadda yadda blah blah blah

Top
#555522 - 09/19/19 12:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box VST/AU and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Mac)] Re: Question re plugin playback when synchronised with DAW (Cubase) [Re: ColinMc1]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3964
Originally Posted By: ColinMc1
The sync host button doesn't exist on the Mac version - a feature that needs adding, as well as chord output to utilise the Chord Track feature within Cubase - my top 2 feature requests.

Yea, that's just a mock up pic of how it should be, but I'm sure they will be working on those now.

Originally Posted By: nonchai
Originally Posted By: Pipeline

Nothing is streamed from the BBW4.app


Speaking of the BB4 app - what is apparent ( and maybe mentioned already by you ) is that whenever a style is auditioned via the style picker dialog that currently goes out of the main Mac audio outputs.

This might be ok for some purposes but not others. There might be dramatically different volume levels at play between the Daw outputs and Mac main outputs. So clearly this might be a case where audio needs to be streamed from BB4 into the plugin

Yea that's the same with the Win version but what they want to do is have the m4a RT RD and STY demos play thru the DAW track.
_________________________
ReaTrak Integrate Biab & Plugin in Reaper
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool

Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac Build 310 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac customers can download the latest FREE patch here.

Summary of changes for Version 2019 Build 310:
Fixed: Most menu items are blank if booting Band-in-a-Box in a non-English operating system.
Fixed: The guitar fretboard type would not switch based on the selected RealTracks (eg. display 4 strings for bass RealTracks).
Fixed: If the Bass track is selected while opening the Guitar window, then switching to a 6-string track will not display guide notes for all 6 strings.
Fixed: The [Play] [Stop] [+] [-] buttons in the StylePicker do not respond properly to mouse clicks.
Fixed: Redundant wording in the MIDI Track Picker dialog.
Fixed: The Jukebox should default to the Songs directory if no song is currently selected.
Fixed: The currently selected style should be selected and visible when opening the StylePicker.560256

Congratulations RealTracks Artist Cory Pesaturo!

RealTracks Artist Cory Pesaturo is at it again, adding the following to his awards library (he humbly refers to it as his 'Lifetime Achievement Type of award' - three now!) this past weekend: The Las Vegas International Accordion Convention's Honorary Conductor Award, recognizing his distinguished contribution to Accordion Music, education, and culture through Artistry and Performance - CONGRATULATIONS CORY!

With more than 20 RealTracks available (Sets 268, 292, 293, 306, 312, 313, and 314), you'll definitely find something you like from our RealTracks Artist Cory Pesaturo! Get them for $29 per set, or add them ALL when you purchase any Band-in-a-Box® UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile package.

Mac user? Click here.

Get your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac Bonus PAK Today!

Purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac during our special (which has been EXTENDED to October 31st), and you'll receive a FREE Bonus PAK overflowing with great Add-ons, including MIDI SuperTracks Set 28: Pop Basses with 6 MIDI SuperTracks, 21 RealDrums Transcriptions, 120 guitar licks and riffs in Instrumental Studies 7: Brent Mason 12-key CountryPop Guitar Licks, and 15 new MIDI Styles!

Or, upgrade it to the 49-PAK for just $49 and add 40 UNRELEASED RealTracks, 10 "Low Man" & Re-amped "12-Key" Metal/Thrash Electric Guitar RealTracks, 6 more MIDI SuperTracks with Set 29: More Organ, Piano & Accordion, 120 more guitar licks and riffs with Instrumental Studies 8: Brent Mason 12-key Train-Beat Licks, 15 more MIDI Styles, and Artist Performance Set 9: Celtic Flute with Geoff Kelly!

Video - Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac® - 49-PAK Overview

Listen to demos and learn more here.

Free Bonus PAK Contents:
-Look Ma! More MIDI 1
-21 RealDrums Transcriptions
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 28: Pop Basses
-Instrumental Studies 7: Brent Mason 12-key CountryPop Guitar Licks

2019 49-PAK Contents:
-40 Bonus RealTracks!
-10 "Low Man" and Re-amped "12-Key" Metal/Thrash Electric Guitar RealTracks
-Artist Performance Set 9: Celtic Flute with Geoff Kelly
-Instrumental Studies 8: Brent Mason 12-key Train-Beat Licks
-Look Ma! More MIDI 2
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 29: More Organ, Piano & Accordion

Xtra Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Special Extended!

The verdict is in, and everyone agrees that Xtra Styles PAK 7 is incredible!

There are 164 unbelievable new RealStyles that await you in Xtra Styles PAK 7! We've dreamed up some surprising new arrangements for your songwriting, production, and teaching needs in four volumes: Jazz 7, Country 7, Rock/Pop 7, and Americana 2.

The possibilities seem endless with these fully-produced styles, like atmospheric folk, Western swing chicken pickin', dreamy Southern rock, smooth jazz with world percussion, Brazilian samba, acoustic grunge, and '90s R&B. We've even included two great new MultiStyles that use up to eight substyles! Do yourself a favor and take home this comprehensive and imaginative collection of styles today!

SPECIAL EXTENDED!!! Get all 164 new RealStyles in the All Xtra Styles PAK 7 for only $29 until October 31st! (Reg. $49)

Specific genre packages are also available for $15 each!

For more information and to listen to demos, click here.

Mac user? You'll find your Xtra Styles PAKs here.

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac Build 309 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac customers can download the latest FREE patch update here.

Summary of changes for Build 309:
Fixed: The Chord Builder is disabled if previously opened before using a modal dialog (eg. Style Picker, Set Tempo).
Fixed: The program might crash when selecting RealTracks in the Best RealTracks dialog (eg. #2541).
Fixed: Wrong notes in Oohs and Aahs RealTracks.
Improved: Higher dots-per-inch printing.
Added: [Print Chords Only] button added to the Print Options dialog.

EXTENDED! Our Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac Ends October 31st!

You haven't missed our Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac special, which has been extended to October 31st!

There's still time to purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac Upgrade at up to 50% off, and receive a FREE Bonus PAK full of great Add-ons!

Plus, our latest Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac is compatible with the just-released macOS Catalina - upgrades start at just $49!

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2019 Build 2 Update Available!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2019 users can download the FREE Build 2 patch update here

Summary of Changes in Build 2:
Fixed: Sometimes the position of the VST/DX plugs window (even if not visible) would prevent a drop, such as into the drop station, from occurring.
Fixed: When batch converting files, the volume of some file types such as wav/mp3/wma/mp4, etc. would be too low.
Fixed: In Chords Window, you could not enter held chords on Piano track.
Fixed: LeadSheet might not display tied notes on the last bar of a track.
Fixed: Pressing "M" key in Editable Notation to insert a new note at the current time location on the Staff was inserting a duplicate note rather than inserting it above an existing note.
Fixed: Loading in a MusicXML file could result in MIDI notes of zero instead of the currect MIDI notes.
Fixed: Dragging a file into the tracks window didn't always result in the effects slot for the track being setup properly for the file type dragged in.
Fixed: When inserting hard rest, and answering Yes to question about removing notes for the peg, it would remove notes from both clefs instead of the clef that the rest was inserted on.
Fixed: Potential access violation when deleting a note in staff window.
Fixed: Potential jukebox access violation if there were songs with the entire path of the filename being 256 characters or greater loaded into jukebox.
Fixed: Jukebox not playing the playlist in correct order in certain situations involving stopping/restarting, etc.
Fixed: When loading in a MusicXML file that has a specific guitar fretboard defined that matches one of our fretboards, the guitar tablature type will now be set for the notation.
Fixed: Ability to load in .MXL (compresssed musicXML file) as well as ability to load normal noncompressed musicXML file with the new .musicxml extension instead of just .XML.
Fixed: Hammer ons, pull offs, and slides are now being saved to MusicXML files.
Fixed: Exceptionally jittery timing indicator in the notation window during playback compared to older versions of RealBand.
Fixed: If the start of a generated section of a song didn't have a chord entered at the beginning of the section, then it could default to a C major chord instead of the most recent chord prior to the section.
Fixed: Potential access violation if song has micro-pegs and multiple notes on a peg.
Fixed: Accidental element that specified whether a note was displayed as sharp/flat wasn't eing saved to XML, even though the correct pitch of the note itself was saved.

Forum Stats
30258 Members
62 Forums
60291 Topics
508855 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Ivano, Joe Z, expertsupremehil, cocktailbars, moneymfd

30257 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
VideoTrack 170
Noel96 153
floyd jane 115
Janice & Bud 114
beatmaster 103
MarioD 100
rayc 96
BlueAttitude 95
Jim Fogle 95
Greg Johnson 82
Today's Birthdays
GuernseyCove, tzee68