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#558592 - 10/10/19 12:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] - Let The Games Begin! -
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whistle What will make the list of fifty new features this year?

crazy When will 2020 Band-in-a-Box for Windows be released?

Thanks to forum member Steve, sslechta, for shooting the starting gun in +++ THIS +++ post.
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#558604 - 10/10/19 12:22 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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I’m not playing. That’s like hearing Christmas music before we’ve had Halloween. grin
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#558608 - 10/10/19 12:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I’m not playing. That’s like hearing Christmas music before we’ve had Halloween. grin
Already heard Christmas music playing at Family Dollar. Of course Family Dollar and Dollar General started putting Christmas stuff out before Labor Day (first Monday in September).
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#558610 - 10/10/19 12:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
whistle What will make the list of fifty new features this year?

I'd be more than happy to just see a handful of existing issues resolved smile (ecstatic, in fact... )
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#558612 - 10/10/19 12:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Thanks to forum member Steve, sslechta, for shooting the starting gun in +++ THIS +++ post.


Wrong link Jim.

But I agree, much too early to consider a new version of BIAB. Heck, I am still waiting for the promised enhanced features to the BAIB-VST from 2019. Likely I need to wait until BIAB 2021 for next purchase (boy, I have said that before) grin
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#558613 - 10/10/19 12:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
snip ... I'd be more than happy to just see a handful of existing issues resolved smile (ecstatic, in fact... )


Now explain to me how THAT brings in new customers? confused crazy
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#558617 - 10/10/19 12:41 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
snip ... I'd be more than happy to just see a handful of existing issues resolved smile (ecstatic, in fact... )


Now explain to me how THAT brings in new customers? confused crazy

Perhaps many more existing customers would purchase an upgrade? Maybe the benefit would be significantly better? Only a guess. I don't actually know.
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#558621 - 10/10/19 01:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
snip ... I'd be more than happy to just see a handful of existing issues resolved smile (ecstatic, in fact... )


Now explain to me how THAT brings in new customers? confused crazy

Perhaps many more existing customers would purchase an upgrade? Maybe the benefit would be significantly better? Only a guess. I don't actually know.


I believe adding other time signatures to 2/4, 3/4 and 4/4 would entice new customers and make many existing users very happy.
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#558629 - 10/10/19 02:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: MarioD]
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Originally Posted By: MarioD
I believe adding other time signatures to 2/4, 3/4 and 4/4 would entice new customers and make many existing users very happy.


LOL!!
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#558660 - 10/10/19 04:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: sslechta]
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Originally Posted By: sslechta
Originally Posted By: MarioD
I believe adding other time signatures to 2/4, 3/4 and 4/4 would entice new customers and make many existing users very happy.


LOL!!


Was that Laugh Out Loud or Lots Of Love for the suggestion confused
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#558671 - 10/10/19 07:02 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: VideoTrack]
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Just fix bugs? Beneficial for sure and I'm all for it! But do I think that more existing customers would upgrade? I don't think so. I believe most existing customers return for the content (RealTracks, etc.). But I don't think many existing Windows customers upgraded just because of the 64 bit program or VST. (Glad - yes but that's another story) If neither had happened most would have still purchased to obtain the content. However, I believe the 64 bit program and plug-in brought in many new customers. Is either belief founded in fact? No, it's just gut feeling.
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#558672 - 10/10/19 07:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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For me personally I like both the new features and the content. I don’t really need 50 new features, I know their are probably 50 I have little to no knowledge of. I most likely would upgrade just cause.
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#558673 - 10/10/19 07:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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My opinion, "50 new features" thing does not work well for existing users and newcomers.

I believe, it is pretty obvious that to lure new customers, interface should get some serious face lift job. I am sure a couple of old timers would not want to even hear about this, but I am simply talking about: better organization, graphical representation + modular and scale-able user defined interface, not taking away any features.

That alone could bring new, oxygenated blood into the loop....

I would prefer if PG worked more on further developing/fixing items that are already in place rather than yearly "new features". The "new" features are found everywhere...in all new plugins, DAW's, etc. BIAB is different in its core.
BIAB is focused on traditional / acoustic sound music production... What I am trying to say, I think this body needs to build up muscle, not try to grow another set of arms and legs. And of course more of amazing Real tracks please!

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#558739 - 10/11/19 06:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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I enjoy the annual fanfare around the upcoming new year release!
Maybe PG should join in the the fun too and have a song competition about Biab itself with the best entries getting a free version.


Edited by musiclover (10/11/19 08:18 AM)
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#558740 - 10/11/19 06:53 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
My opinion, "50 new features" thing does not work well for existing users and newcomers.

I believe, it is pretty obvious that to lure new customers, interface should get some serious face lift job. I am sure a couple of old timers would not want to even hear about this, but I am simply talking about: better organization, graphical representation + modular and scale-able user defined interface, not taking away any features.

That alone could bring new, oxygenated blood into the loop....

I would prefer if PG worked more on further developing/fixing items that are already in place rather than yearly "new features". The "new" features are found everywhere...in all new plugins, DAW's, etc. BIAB is different in its core.
BIAB is focused on traditional / acoustic sound music production... What I am trying to say, I think this body needs to build up muscle, not try to grow another set of arms and legs. And of course more of amazing Real tracks please!


I'm an old timer but I completely agree with you.
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#558786 - 10/11/19 10:13 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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I’d love to have the feature that for the videotracks you can click and choose
....Same player, but different clothing (a tuxedo, country shirt, jeans, italian style)
....Change the players’ gender: have a woman play the drums
....Change the players’ age: swap an old person with a young one and the other way around.
....Turn down or turn up the lighting
....Trigger a smile into the camera with a Midi CC command, or frowning
....change the instruments’ brand or color: yellow Gibson, an orange Gretsch, a shiny red Yamaha drum kit
...Let’s get a little crazy here: have them play all the so-called recognized chords correctly!
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#558791 - 10/11/19 11:05 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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One other question if I may. Should something an existing user may likely consider to be a fix be considered as a new feature for marketing purposes? This is something PG Music has done in the past. For example in 2019 the StylePicker was remodeled, drum notation was added to most RealDrums and Melodist functionality was expanded to include RealStyles.
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#558814 - 10/11/19 02:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Jim, I thinks that’s fair. It’s probably the best way to get the word out that an improvement was made.
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#558822 - 10/11/19 03:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Re: New Features bringing in new customers, I'm not sure how many potential customers are waiting to purchase but saying to themselves: "I'm not buying until it does this or that".

I think that most purchasers buy the product based on the fundamental features of the program suite. e.g. an intelligent automatic accompaniment program that provides the user with a powerful and creative music composition tool, etc.

New features are always welcomed, but I still wouldn't mind if some of the 'new features' were fixes to existing issues. Just my 2-cents.
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#558854 - 10/11/19 07:07 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: - Let The Games Begin! - [Re: VideoTrack]
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Not to disagree with you VideoTrack but "I'm not buying until the program is 64 bit" was a fairly common comment prior to the 2019 release. Just sayin'.

Some users don't upgrade every year. From comments I've read personal finances and the list of new features seem to be the determining factor of when an existing user updates.

Sometimes new features are new and when PG Music nails it the results are breathtaking. RealDrums, RealTracks, midiSuperTracks, videotracks, audio chord wizard are all truly revolutionary features. Just that list are admirable accomplishments.
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