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As BB is an Arrangers tool why can't I make a simple chord change to hear the effect it has without re-genning the whole file and maybe losing a Gen that otherwise I liked?
A simple right click on the Bar changed with 're-gen this bar only' would do nicely.
Ian
PS - don't point me at RB. BB is the Arrangers tool.
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I understand that the ability to re-generate only specific bar(s) has been requested previously. Yes, it would be very useful.
+1, certainly.
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Have you tried using the plug-in? The plug-in has a page dedicated to creating multi-riffs.
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Also, while I agree with your request, I get around this by previewing the chords using Shift+Enter. I can step through a few chords one at a time this way, to audition a possible chord change.
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Ian +1
One of my main requests for BIAB is "selected bar freeze". Assuming that will be done correctly at some point in life... If it will be ever done of course...
In theory it will only generate the "unfrozen" bars, which should take MUCH less time, comparing to what it takes now. So, I believe your request will be covered in this scenario.
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Ian +1
One of my main requests for BIAB is "selected bar freeze". Assuming that will be done correctly at some point in life... If it will be ever done of course...
In theory it will only generate the "unfrozen" bars, which should take MUCH less time, comparing to what it takes now. So, I believe your request will be covered in this scenario. Hi Misha, i guess my wish is the exact opposite. I want everything freezing but that Bar. Re-gen would be almost instant. Then i can fool around with various odd chords (as i do) to hear how they fit - or dont.  Ian
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Also, while I agree with your request, I get around this by previewing the chords using Shift+Enter. I can step through a few chords one at a time this way, to audition a possible chord change.
Hi Matt, this could be handy. When you have a moment can you expand on what you do please? Ian
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Ian, actually not "opposite". If they will make mechanism "freeze selected bars" I am sure there will be "unfreeze selected" as well. So your scenario only 2 clicks away. 1) Freeze All 2) Unfreeze selected In this case, that "unfrozen" selection/section should it theory do what you are requesting...and me too. ... To generate only "unfrozen" sections, without loosing all other stuff and at faster time
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Sure, however it's implemented will be fine. But we would like to be able to regenerate selected measures in BIAB without having to regenerate the whole track. If RealBand can do it, it should be possible for those of us who wish to remain in BIAB.
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Also, while I agree with your request, I get around this by previewing the chords using Shift+Enter. I can step through a few chords one at a time this way, to audition a possible chord change.
Hi Matt, this could be handy. When you have a moment can you expand on what you do please? Ian Ian, I'm not sure how to say more. It's manual, not automated. I like that BIAB can sound a chord by Shift+ENTER. If you don't hear it, make sure your MIDI Piano track and MIDI Bass track are playing. So, let's say I have a chord progression and want to consider changing a chord. I use the arrows or mouse to step through the progression one chord at a time and sound the chord with Shift+Enter. Then move to the next chord etc. Because it's MIDI, there is no mystery about what BIAB will play - I hear the real chord 'straight'. Now, if you do want to automate this a bit, there are a few old MIDI styles that I requested and PG Music provided that hold chords while playing a beat. One is HELDBOSA.sty and another is SW44HELD.sty. Does that help?
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Often, when I'm first putting a song together, I use MIDI-only styles because these generate in the snap of the fingers and it makes testing chord progressions much easier. MIDI styles also play all chords.
Then when I move into looking for suitable styles and individual Realtracks, the arrangement component is done. All I need do now is alter the occasional chord if the Realtrack I use does not support that chord.
Just my tuppence worth.
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Yes, a great idea for composing and arranging, to use MIDI only while developing.
In the old days (2008) when RealDrums then RealTracks were introduced, it took quite awhile for songs to regenerate. Using only MIDI for the early stages made even more sense then. It’s not bad now. Reminds me of early computer programs I would write, and I would drop off a deck of punched cards. The operator would say, come back next Tuesday. Now, compilers run almost instantaneously on a personal computer.
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Hi guys
I think all these midi tricks will work and I'm going to work on one this weekend to see how I get on.
But I'm a very Analogue sort of guy and work almost exclusively with RTs - and that is where the problem lies for me. After having created a Style from misc RTs and populated it with RT tracks and got the chord sequence in, I want to be able to simply highlight a Bar or a small range of bars, to try a chord substitution to see if its Better / Worse without a full Re-gen.
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Ian,
I agree with your request. It would be great if selected bars could be generated.
In the meantime, and in addition to my comment about MIDI, another approach that might help shortcut the testing of chords would be...
1. Set preferences so that multiple instances of BIAB can be open.
2. Open a second instance of the program.
3. Set the second instance to the same tempo and one or two of the same Realtracks. Make the song 8 bars long and save it as something like "arranging_test.SGU" (in the same folder as your original song).
4. While it's not possible to copy chords from one instance of BIAB to another one, it's easy to type in 3 or 4 chords.
5. Any time you want to test a chord progression, use the 8-bar chord sheet in the second instance of BIAB -- this will generate much quicker.
Hope this helps,
Noel
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Hi Noel
That is a great Workaround.
I set BB to multi and opened the BB twice, opening the SGU in each. That preserved my RT track choices.
In the second one I deleted all chords and ran the four chord sequence i was concerned over, quickly able to compare it to my original.
Changing the chords, actually the /Bass runs, was a fast re-gen.
Many thanks.
Now all PG needs to do is grant my Christmas Wish. Lol.
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Workaround, yes... Ian, stay determined please This is a wishlist. Wish hard! We need Santa awake and busy for Christmas... or maybe another Christmas..or the next... If this ever comes to BIAB, the rules for selection should include: "inverse selection". So my imagination gets me this workflow: 1)Select the bars you want to work with. 2)Inverse selection (this will reverse selected/unselected "selection". Meaning it will select everything but the bars you selected to work with) 3)Freeze selection Only "unfrozen" bars that you selected initially will remain fluid for changes/regeneration....in theory. And again in theory, it should take MUCH less time.
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Misha - I'd go for that too. Its like "Freeze ONLY Bars x - y" concept.
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"inverse selection"(polar opposite), in theory would allow freeze all, but the ones you are working on and do exactly what you requested.
Losing particular "generation" and looooonggggg re-generation time when changing minor things at particular bars are my two biggest nemesis in BIAB.
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