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#567859 - 12/01/19 09:12 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jazzmammal]
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I rarely use RB only because it offers nothing for my workflow. But I can say that when I do use it I rarely, if ever, have it crash.
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#567871 - 12/01/19 09:58 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jazzmammal]
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Jazzmammal, you and I have argued this before.

Unless you are with us to see what happens, you don't know if we have crashes or not. And a lot of us have had many crashes. I had one every session. Those of us who did are not total idiots either.

I agree with you that RB has great functions. I liked it. I like PG Music. But I couldn't live with the crashing. And I haven't had that problem with the software I moved to.

So while you may be happy with RB as your DAW (and I'm glad you are), it's incorrect to say we didn't have this problem.

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#567874 - 12/01/19 10:09 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: Marty Ricciotti]
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I was thinking about that the other day how RB saves it all in one big file rather than a source location reference like most DAWs.
If it had some sort of sandbox connection to the audio/midi driver that would crash out and not effect the main program ???? JBridge's PluginFlipFlop works that way, you load the VST into it and load another so if it crashes it will just load the other instance.
But what do you do, modify it, re-write it, update to 64bit, or just make do with it how it is ???
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#569266 - 12/07/19 08:18 PM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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Cakewalk ProAudio 9.3 saves a project as a single file - it's called a bundle and was a proprietary zip style thing. It ONLY did it upon request and that was also a LONG time ago.
There were sensitivity issues with Bundles & the same version of Pro Audio that created it versus earlier or later versions. I was glad to move on to Reaper.
I did try RealBand but as it was neither logical or intuitive to use FOR ME I didn't bother getting into it in details.
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#569292 - 12/08/19 02:15 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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2020 seems rock solid but perpetuates the error message i got with 2019 after generating a RealTrack and using the edit menu undo if I wanted to delete it.

erase track works fine but undo gives me an error message saying the program may have problems - but it never does!

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#569480 - 12/09/19 08:03 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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I tried the JBridge thing and had trouble.
So I just put Real Band to the side for now.
Thanks for the tips though!

I did complete my first song in RealBand last year!

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#569688 - Yesterday at 08:39 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: 2bSolo]
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Originally Posted By: 2bSolo
Jazzmammal, you and I have argued this before.

Unless you are with us to see what happens, you don't know if we have crashes or not. And a lot of us have had many crashes. I had one every session. Those of us who did are not total idiots either.


Do you know what a beta test is? All the testing just finished for 2020. Nobody reported crashing issues and believe me the subject came up because of a few like you who keep talking about it. Don't you think the developers want to know about that if it exists?

I'm not doubting you're having crashes, I'm only doubting the cause. Please post exactly what you were doing when RB crashed step by step as in you opened this, you clicked on that, you changed the tempo, opened the Edit window, then you hit generate and it crashed or whatever so we can try to reproduce it and then give them a chance to fix it.

Just saying it crashes at least once every session and you can't use it is a waste of time. What's the point if you're not going to treat this as a test and let them try to fix it? Maybe you are doing some combination of things we never thought of and it does cause a crash so report it.

Bob
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#569696 - Yesterday at 09:11 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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I had many crashes a few years back. I found most of them were third party plugin related. Also some traced back to sound card drivers.

It’s very helpful to detail what causes it so the program develops properly
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#569715 - Yesterday at 10:44 AM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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Maybe this would help..

I don't have crashes in RealBand and I use:

Audio Device/s =

Audio Driver Type = Windows Audio ? MME ? ASIO ?
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#569743 - Yesterday at 02:12 PM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jazzmammal]
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Jazzmammal,

Thanks for acknowledging that the crashes occurred.

RB2020 passing beta is good but irrelevant. I have RB2016.

I'm glad RB works for you. I couldn't get it to work for me. I changed to Reaper using the same computer. I didn't spend any more time learning the system. I had one crash in about 200 hours. So do you expect me to spend time debugging RB or recording?

My best to you, PG and all the members of this forum. I appreciate all the help you have given me. Happy holidays.

2b
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#569747 - Yesterday at 02:38 PM [RealBand] Re: Does anybody else find RealBand as flaky as I do? [Re: jonel]
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Reaper, Cubase, Cakewalk, Studio one, Protools, etc. are all going to be somewhat more stable than RB. none of those programs look back at BiaB folders for co tent and functionality. it really boils down to what you need to accomplish. I have tracked over 100 different song files in RB mostly for live performance. these started out as simple .mid, or .kar files and then RTs and RDs, loops, multiple VSTi plugins. The lyrics and chord screens were scrolled. all in all a ton of work was done. And it went very smoothly at first I played several time live with them. I did have a few crashes, mostly while tracking them and working out different sounds for certain instruments. Overall it went great. after accouple years with a computer change and a computer upgrade, I had some issues where some of the files got corrupted. I don't think this was totally RBs fault. a lot came from swapping in and out the various midi instruments.

Could RB use some TLC and some modernization? Yes! Can you track a project with it as it is, again Yes.

One thing is undeniable, none of the programs mentioned above could do what RB can do over all. it is very unique. Still it needs some love as does Powertracks.

I think it a tad unfair to say "debugging RB" it certainly needs a bit of work in some area, but it is not un unusable. It needs some love, a few added tools, a bit of GUI work, refining some it has.

There's no need to fuss over it. We each get to use what works best for us, and we will have different experiences in how programs work. We will each have stuff that is shakey on our system, but not for someone else.
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