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Ray,
I can hear the difference that 12 string makes... big sound getting wider.
A very impressive production in a style I enjoy; sure there`s a kind of time-stamp on it, but if you were there you`ll understand how well crafted this song is.
Thanks for that tip on rendering the organ to mono for panning btw- I`ll try that.
Robert
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Ray,
I can hear the difference that 12 string makes... big sound getting wider.
A very impressive production in a style I enjoy; sure there`s a kind of time-stamp on it, but if you were there you`ll understand how well crafted this song is.
Thanks for that tip on rendering the organ to mono for panning btw- I`ll try that.
Robert Thanks Robert, "...people of a certain age..." is also accurate. It wasn't until I thought to make the organ mono that I was able to wrangle it into a mix properly. The stereo is usually fabulous to listen to but a mono track with bottom and top end happy together makes mixing and panning way easier. I quite like the cheapie 12 string.
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Very cool tune Ray. You certainly have a masters touch on the console. Love this
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Hi, Ray !
There is something profoundly
magical about this tune !
It fascinates me ! a little bit
tears for fears !!
I liked it !!
Merry X-mas and a Happy New Year
to you Ray !
Cheers
Dani
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Hi Ray,
wow, that's really impressive. Amazong what some people can do... Have to repeat: great song! Very cool.
Regards,
Stefan
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Whoah, that is loud! I'd be really curious regarding the results if you ran it through: https://www.loudnesspenalty.comMight be wrong but I'd guess the streaming platforms would pull it down 6db+ or so. I've been limiting at 14 LUFS lately and this puppy nearly blew my monitors off the shelf! The mix is great...actually all is as perhaps the ME remains engaged in the loudness wars  And forgive me if I'm reacting only to having listened to mixes I’m prepping for streaming over the last couple of days! Along with a big ole FWIW from the old guy. Enjoyed it! J&B
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Very cool tune Ray. You certainly have a masters touch on the console. Love this Hello Scott, Thanks. By posting unfinished tracks here and elsewhere I get very useful feedback to complete the mix. Village mixing!
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Hi, Ray !
There is something profoundly
magical about this tune !
It fascinates me ! a little bit
tears for fears !!
I liked it !!
Merry X-mas and a Happy New Year
to you Ray !
Cheers
Dani Dani, Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to make something that someone enjoys.
Cheers
rayc
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Hi Ray,
wow, that's really impressive. Amazong what some people can do... Have to repeat: great song! Very cool.
Regards,
Stefan Stefan, Thanks very much.
Cheers
rayc
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Whoah, that is loud! I'd be really curious regarding the results if you ran it through: https://www.loudnesspenalty.comMight be wrong but I'd guess the streaming platforms would pull it down 6db+ or so. I've been limiting at 14 LUFS lately and this puppy nearly blew my monitors off the shelf! The mix is great...actually all is as perhaps the ME remains engaged in the loudness wars And forgive me if I'm reacting only to having listened to mixes I’m prepping for streaming over the last couple of days! Along with a big ole FWIW from the old guy. Enjoyed it! J&B Thanks J&B, It was mastered for CD. I didn't request a streamer level copy. The reduction, according to Penalty, (I was reading about that yesterday), varies from -2.8 to -5 so you were close. The song file is loud but not mashed at all Here's a view of it in Waverepair: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yw16rgik3zqa7d/narc%20wave.png?dl=0It retains dynamics and a bit of head room. mastered at 24bit as well to allow that scope. I do know the shock of something loud coming over the monitors and apologize. Thanks for you comment on the mix
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rayc
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No, no, I didn't mean to imply in any way that it was mashed. The dynamics are obvious in all your mixes. I've been dragged kicking and screaming into this 14 LUFS thing. I finally decided to adopt it after reading Spotify's comments on mastering.
And yes for a CD I think the objective is for the levels of all the tunes to approximate a target -- loud or quite.
Again, I detest stuff for which the waveform looks like a 2x4 board, i.e., squashed. And yours never sound that way.
There is nothing for you to apologize for as I've had my monitors set at a certain volume, comfortable for me, for my remastering some songs...well remastering only in the sense of lowering the loudness.
Guess I'd kinda gotten used to it. We stream everything we listen to in the home, in the vehicle, etc., so I just decided that for our next EP I'd go with the trend and master specifically for the platforms.
Again, FWIW!
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No, no, I didn't mean to imply in any way that it was mashed. The dynamics are obvious in all your mixes. I've been dragged kicking and screaming into this 14 LUFS thing. I finally decided to adopt it after reading Spotify's comments on mastering.
And yes for a CD I think the objective is for the levels of all the tunes to approximate a target -- loud or quite.
Again, I detest stuff for which the waveform looks like a 2x4 board, i.e., squashed. And yours never sound that way.
There is nothing for you to apologize for as I've had my monitors set at a certain volume, comfortable for me, for my remastering some songs...well remastering only in the sense of lowering the loudness.
Guess I'd kinda gotten used to it. We stream everything we listen to in the home, in the vehicle, etc., so I just decided that for our next EP I'd go with the trend and master specifically for the platforms.
Again, FWIW!
Bud I was pleased you mentioned the relative volume because, in this instance, I hadn't checked the master except by ear and I was prompted to do my usual follow ups: look at the waveform, do a freq analysis etc. I've been doing the extra checks because I fear my tinnitus may be masking something. I was pleased to see the Waverepair image reflected my preferences too. I chose the M.E. I use because he's quite an experienced musician and producer. He's also renowned for his use of analogue equipment and oddities like Minidisc, (he likes the compression that format uses - prefers tape but is keen to use things that fit the song). Though he's stuck with digital from me. He's also a creative chap and has contacted me with suggestions regarding songs that could be tweaked or augmented in some way. On one track he suggested an Eventide like effect on the snare drum to get an even more Bowie/Hansa sound. He said he'd do the usual mastering at the usual fee and, if I sent him the relevant files, would do the snare thing, mix it in and a separate master for gratis. How could I say no? I'm still an old fuddy duddy: I don't stream except when using the computer and this forum - though Utub et al are really streamers. Thanks for the follow up and the deeper explanation. I was, as said, pleased to have been prodded to have a look. I've only had one mashed master so far - & that was from someone different. It seems that, given the prominence of streaming and the audio impact of gain reduction on those sights, the loudness wars ended with a whimper from the bluster side and a pyrrhic victory for the dynamic dudes.
Cheers
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“It seems that, given the prominence of streaming and the audio impact of gain reduction on those sights, the loudness wars ended with a whimper from the bluster side and a pyrrhic victory for the dynamic dudes.“
At the risk of continuing my hijack of your thread I have to say that the above summary is priceless!
And, BTW, I’m a septuagenarian with tinnitus and a profound high end hearing loss. Were it not for a brilliant audiologist we would not be having this chat!
Thanks for the back ground info. I think Spotify drove the final nail in the loudness war coffin with their statements this year on the 14 LUFS levels.
And thanks for sharing the waveform image. Yep, for the genre the dynamics are there and, yep again, it is up there in volume. The cool thing about the newer and some of the older maximizers is how the dynamics can be maintained while increasing the volume to levels never thought possible w/o smashing it. Nothing new there but to a guy who came outa the analog school in the 60’s it’s amazing.
Cheers,
Bud
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