|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120
Apprentice
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120 |
Realband 2020 is all messed up
I just loaded a Band In The Box file or sgu file that sounds good and opened it in Realband 2020 only to find out that at bar 236 is a blank spot for the realtracks except the drums.....?????? I can't figure out why. also the tempo map in Band in the box works good but have a problem at the end of the song....Why???
Would you like me to send you these files so you can figure it out?
Horst Hartung Windows 10 - RealBand 2020:Build(3); Xtra Styles PAKs 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; 64 bit Intel Xeon CPU E5-1620 v3 @ 3.50GHz; 4 TB HD; 550 GB SSD PCIe Drive, 16GB Memory. Behringer UFX1604 Digital Mixer. Music: https://soundcloud.com/horst_hartung
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,130 |
Horsthartung, I suspect you encountered a limitation present in both Band-in-a-Box and RealBand. The limitation is called the "255 bar limitation" but it does not always show itself right at bar 255. There is an extensive discussion +++ HERE +++ Of course, as you suggest it does not hurt to freeze the tracks and send the file to support@pgmusic.com for confirmation.
Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,636
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,636 |
I believe we were once told this is caused in RB because RB borrows the BiaB generation feature.
So really it's a BiaB limitation that RB inherits with the tool.
At least in RB you can continue generating the rest of the song in large chunks. You get lots of tracks to work with, and you can indeed generate beyond the 256, just not in one pass.
In BiaB I think it's more of a brick wall.
That said, I just generated a 289 bar track without issue as a test. Go figger ..
I did set the End Bar in the generating section to 289 as well as set the From-Thru to 289.
Last edited by rharv; 12/20/19 04:30 PM.
Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803 |
Don’t cha all think it’s about time to fix this?
When discussions start about where RB/PTPA fit in the DAW landscape many of us have strongly defended it as a very powerful and feature rich DAW choice. Yes it has many great virtues. Features no other DAW has, those being the awesome BiaB capabilities. This DAW can do things a far more well know, and mainline program could never begin to do.
Yet the problem lies in that, while it is all that a a bag of chips, it still suffers from being fragmented it is a wonderful marriage of BiaB and PTPA. That is both incredible and limiting in one moment.
I sent a note to the Peter, Andrew, and a couple others recently suggesting that future plans should include a lotta love for RB. BiaB is at a point where it either has to morph into something it was never intended to be, and I fear become a train wreck doing so or slow down to a slow boil.
Imagine BiaB with no 50 new features next year instead 25 nagging bugs solved and 202 new real tracks including ambient tones, breakbeat drums and a bunch of new modern RTs and RDs. That addresses what many are clamoring for modernizing. Next a complete and total update of RB. Modern mixer view something like studio one with inserts and sends, with excellent FX chains and new powerful plugins. Get rid of the 255 limit, updated and complete automation, not just volume and panning, not just fader moves. Build it into a DAW that rivals Studio one, Reaper, Cubase, Cakewalk, etc. but one that includes BiaB generation capabilities. Putting RB on the front burner allows it to be broken out from BiaB, allows it to become a paid product that generates income. Let’s BiaB rest and catch up. It would still be a source of revenue with it becoming even more solid and a stable and many of its old bugs squashed for good. Lots of time and resources could be diverted into RT development. Lots of resources diverted to RB so it can be one of the best DAWs around and used along side BIaB and a continuing to develop Biab plugin would be a lethal line up.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 12/21/19 02:16 PM.
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021 |
If you all rememeber I worked alone with Jeff on the export of XML files and the bar limit thing. That got fixed just awhile back in 2019 version.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120 |
Lately I've been playing around with BIAB, which I normally don't do. I'm more of a Realband user. I think PGMusic needs to focus more on RealBand than BIAB. Cause I'm a Real Musician and record like real musicians do. Band I a Box has many more cool stuff in it than Real Band does.....so I ask you WHY? and why isn't Realband a 64 bit program?....when I heard that BIAB was now 64 bit I assumed Realband would be also....what's the thinking here? If things don't change soon, this might be the last time I buy or upgrade this product.....I'm not happy.
Horst Hartung Windows 10 - RealBand 2020:Build(3); Xtra Styles PAKs 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; 64 bit Intel Xeon CPU E5-1620 v3 @ 3.50GHz; 4 TB HD; 550 GB SSD PCIe Drive, 16GB Memory. Behringer UFX1604 Digital Mixer. Music: https://soundcloud.com/horst_hartung
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803 |
RB is not 64 bit yet, but 32 bit still functions. Maybe next release 64 bit. Biab has more because it is the parent program, RB is a free add on derived from Powertracks, and BiaB married together. I just generated a 275 bar song in RB with both midi and RT, and RD. The song generated flawlessly and played the same way. The limit to 255 bars is in biab not RB. If you want a song longer than 255 bars, start the song in RB, at least until the 255 limit is changed in Biab.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 12/22/19 01:51 PM.
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120 |
I don't consider Realband a Free add on of BIAB. I buy BIAB because of Realband I could care less of BIAB cause I never use it. I need the programmers of PGMusic to spend more time developing RealBand cause that's the program I use and care about. Or just seperate the two and I'll just buy Realband.....but someone has to spend more time on it.
That's all I'm saying......
Horst Hartung Windows 10 - RealBand 2020:Build(3); Xtra Styles PAKs 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; 64 bit Intel Xeon CPU E5-1620 v3 @ 3.50GHz; 4 TB HD; 550 GB SSD PCIe Drive, 16GB Memory. Behringer UFX1604 Digital Mixer. Music: https://soundcloud.com/horst_hartung
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803 |
I hear you, and I agree, for two years I used RB exclusively and barely ever cracked Biab open. I once did a head to head project where I recorded and completed a song in 1. Realband, 2. Reaper, 3. Cakewalk Sonar X1. I finished the project in all three, and not only did RB do every bit as good a job it did it faster. I will say both Reaper and Sonar had better tools in some areas, but neither had the ability to add RTS, and such and generate parts over. I use Studio one pro now after creating the base tracks in the plugin, or BiaB but still use RB from time to time when I need it to do some tasks.
The only reason I moved to Studio One was the better plugins and better comping and audio editing features, all of which RB does, but not nearly as well. I also got tired of fighting RB over some of my favorite plugins that simply worked better in SD1
Either RB or PT needs to be given some love here. I am going to continue to talk about it.
What specifically do you want to see updated or added in RB?
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 120 |
I agree.....
Must Have's in Realband are as follows:
1. Be able to use meter map and tempo map the same way as in BIAB, cause I write lots of songs that use different time signatures and tempos....also be able to slow a part down for a few bars say 152 to 70 tempo then go back to the main tempo of 152 as an example. BIAB does this very well....
2. Generate a Real track solo that doesn't sound phony meaning today it sounds like little blocks of solo parts and doesn't flow like a real soloist would do.
3. When using different Time signatures in different parts of the song, the drum track or Real Track should be able to follow the meter map like going from 3/4 time to 4/4 or 2/4 time.
4. Realband should be a 64 bit program like BIAB....I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 64 bit computer nowadays....processing time would be cut way down.
5. The many styles should also be able to follow the Meter and Tempo map so you can use a style you like for any song. It's like being able to use a band or Style you like to play many different songs.
6. Separate BIAB and RealBand into two different programs and let the users decide which one they want to buy.
Let's start with that let other users add a wish list to make Realband the best Recording software on the market.
Oh I almost forgot....Audio Chord wizard sucks in Realband....I've never been able to use it in a real song I was working with without being totally frustrated and pissed off. I've tried using it and have given up every time. Even in BIAB it dosen't work with songs in different time signatures and tempos.
Last edited by horsthartung; 12/22/19 03:07 PM.
Horst Hartung Windows 10 - RealBand 2020:Build(3); Xtra Styles PAKs 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; 64 bit Intel Xeon CPU E5-1620 v3 @ 3.50GHz; 4 TB HD; 550 GB SSD PCIe Drive, 16GB Memory. Behringer UFX1604 Digital Mixer. Music: https://soundcloud.com/horst_hartung
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,803 |
I agree.....
Must Have's in Realband are as follows:
1. Be able to use meter map and tempo map the same way as in BIAB, cause I write lots of songs that use different time signatures and tempos....also be able to slow a part down for a few bars say 152 to 70 tempo then go back to the main tempo of 152 as an example. BIAB does this very well....
I am surprised BiaB does this with Audio, due to the limitations of audio stretching software. Each RT has limits and the further you get from the original tempo the more artifacts you get from the material. Midi on the other hand can handle this type of manipulation.
2. Generate a Real track solo that doesn't sound phony meaning today it sounds like little blocks of solo parts and doesn't flow like a real soloist would do.
So far Multiriff has been hit and miss for me. I have had better results from the plugin than RB. Mostly because Studio one has an exceptional comping system.
3. When using different Time signatures in different parts of the song, the drum track or Real Track should be able to follow the meter map like going from 3/4 time to 4/4 or 2/4 time.
I would imagine this has to do with the fact RTs are audio and had been recorded in a certain time structure. Changing time signatures would be very difficult with prerecorded material.
4. Realband should be a 64 bit program like BIAB....I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 64 bit computer nowadays....processing time would be cut way down.
I think this will happen sooner or later since BiaB is now 64 bit.
5. The many styles should also be able to follow the Meter and Tempo map so you can use a style you like for any song. It's like being able to use a band or Style you like to play many different songs.
Again this maybe difficult for RTs and RDs, due to their physical make up
6. Separate BIAB and RealBand into two different programs and let the users decide which one they want to buy.
I agree in some form or the other
Let's start with that let other users add a wish list to make Realband the best Recording software on the market.
Oh I almost forgot....Audio Chord wizard sucks in Realband....I've never been able to use it in a real song I was working with without being totally frustrated and pissed off. I've tried using it and have given up every time. Even in BIAB it dosen't work with songs in different time signatures and tempos.
Agreed that it is ticklish but I have had some results
Great explanation thanks I hope others stop by to add their thoughts
Last edited by Rob Helms; 12/22/19 03:43 PM.
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,636
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,636 |
First thing I can think of is to maybe get these into the RB Wishlist forum (which they do check). How you want to to present/request these changes is up to you. If you want change, this is where PGMusic provides an area for requested changes. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=34&page=1
Make your sound your own!
.. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Video: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
Paket | Was ist Neu
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,634
Posts735,250
Members38,521
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean