|
|
|
|
#576490 - 01/16/20 07:03 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
|
|
Registered: 12/20/11
Posts: 380
Loc: Houston, Texas
Journeyman
Registered: 12/20/11
Posts: 380
Loc: Houston, Texas
|
I'm thinking most specifically about MIDI drum tracks here, which is when the balance between the various pieces of kit is, to me, most egregious. You know, there's a good reason why a studio engineer mics every piece of a drummer's kit. What BiaB does to MIDI drum tracks makes it pretty obvious why it should be done.
The bass drum is almost always WAY too loud with the Standard and Room sets. Not so bad with the jazz set, but then the jazz set's bass drum sounds like one is thumping a soft pillow. If a side stick is being used, it usually isn't loud enough. The hi-hat is almost never loud enough, and there aren't enough options that include a ride cymbal (imo). Plus, sometimes there's a perfect balance of items except one. Like those sticks that get knocked together. Those things drive me nuts. I would love to be able to kill their output entirely, which would turn an aggravating track into a very nice one.
I don't know how PGM would go about implementing such a feat. I just know it needs to be done. But there's a big problem with this request and that is that it isn't possible to edit a track unless it is the melody or soloist track. So until PGM changes this fault, my request can't make it to first base. And I'm stuck with having to export the MIDI drums to a program like Cakewalk, which uses all sorts of arcane looking symbols for the various percussion items, and do the editing there.
I can hear your keys clattering already. Why don't I just use DrumTracks instead? Why indeed. Okay, I'll agree that they do seem to be better balanced. But you know, for starters, I have come across more variability, and even more interesting drum tracks that are MIDI than I have as DrumTracks. When I do a search through the DrumTracks for a type of feel, I usually come back to the same three or four styles that fit what I'm looking for. In this regard, I've found there to be a much better offering of MIDI tracks than DrumTracks. Surprised me, but I find it to be true.
So yet another wish that might, if I'm very lucky, be realized in my lifetime.
Oh, almost forgot to mention -- I'm using Cakewalk's excellent TTS-1 synth to realize my MIDI tracks.
Edited by cooltouch (01/16/20 07:05 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#576532 - 01/17/20 05:30 AM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 13955
Loc: Hamlin NY
Veteran
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 13955
Loc: Hamlin NY
|
Cooltouch you have a PM.
_________________________
It has been a joy being quarantined with my wife. We've caught up on all the things I have done wrong in our 53 years of marriage!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB and RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software and some hardware.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#576642 - 01/17/20 04:18 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 5338
Loc: Carmel New York
Veteran
Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 5338
Loc: Carmel New York
|
Use better synths there are literally hundreds of chooses. Also use drum synths like ez drummer, slate drums, jamstix etc.
_________________________
Lenovo Win 10 8 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2020, Realband, Studio one 4.6 Pro, Logic Pro X, Melodyne 4 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus Faderport 8, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#576756 - 01/18/20 01:02 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 01/06/15
Posts: 167
Loc: Vienna, Austria
Apprentice
Registered: 01/06/15
Posts: 167
Loc: Vienna, Austria
|
I understand why you want to balance the kits pieces. What I don't get is why you want to do it on a MIDI velocity level. The natural palce for me would be within the drum synth (if it has a built-in mixer) or within the DAW (if I route the pieces from the drum VST to individual audio tracks).
Or do you want to have more control within BiaB itself? I was assuming that anyone who cares so much about the sound will do the mix in a DAW.
Masi
_________________________
Band-in-a-Box, BiaB-plugin, Reaper, Win10 64bit, i7-8565U, 24GB RAM (always latest versions)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#576768 - 01/18/20 02:22 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 12/20/16
Posts: 899
Loc: Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
Expert
Registered: 12/20/16
Posts: 899
Loc: Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
|
Did I read correctly that you are using TTS1 for drums. If so why there are many drum VSTi’s out there. Either way if you are using a DAW to mix then it is normally a very simple process the select the kick and reduce the velocity. To select the kick (or whatever note) is often just a matter of clicking or right clicking on the piano keyboard represented on the piano roll view in most DAWs. Then pulling down the offending note.
Most DAWs also have humanise option that sets individual levels for velocity. In a halfway reasonable VSTi a drum kit can be set up to the levels and tones you like before applying the MIDI data. I use Addictive Drums 2 or even Cakewalks (Digital Sound Factories) Session Drummer 3 and the choices are endless.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
My thoughts
_________________________
HP i7-4770 16GB 512G SSD, Win 10 Home,
Roland Quad Capture, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster + more
BB 2020(713) RB 2020(2), CakeWalk by BandLab, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 3 + more
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#578238 - 01/28/20 11:46 AM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 3952
Loc: Iceland
Veteran
Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 3952
Loc: Iceland
|
If ever there was a poster who really should include his BBox version (if not more specs) in his profile info, I haven't seen one yet.
Case in point: Just how old is your BBox if you think it's impossible to tweak velocity levels of specific notes (or get rid of them entirely, for that matter) unless it's on the Melody/Soloist track?? Because,let me tell you, with the Piano Roll, you absolutely can!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#579411 - 02/04/20 08:46 AM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Veteran
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
|
The TTS 1 has a flaw with the default kick. It's stuck at a velocity of 127 which is why it's so loud. Years ago Biab added a popup when you first use it that says "Change default kick drum from part 34 to 35? (not sure about the exact number). Whatever it is just say yes. The TTS 1 is over 20 years old and Roland has never fixed that. That's what you get with a freebie.
As for the question in general regarding midi instrument or individual drum kit parts volume levels, they can either be controlled with the plugin or the Biab piano roll.
Bob
_________________________
Biab/RB latest build, Win 10 64 bit, Intel 4770, 256 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#579611 - 02/05/20 07:04 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 12/20/11
Posts: 380
Loc: Houston, Texas
Journeyman
Registered: 12/20/11
Posts: 380
Loc: Houston, Texas
|
I wasn't getting the too-loud kick in TTS-1, at first at least. I was getting it in BiaB. In fact, I've found more often than not that TTS-1 actually brings down the loudness of the kick to more bearable levels much of the time, but not all of the time. I wasn't aware of the kick being stuck on 127 in TTS-1, so I went and had a look at a couple of my files with MIDI drums. Yep, well, one of them did. But the curious thing about it is, it also had a section where the kick had been reduced, and you know what? I couldn't hear any volume difference. So I dunno what's up with that. But as long as it isn't letting things get out of hand, I'm fine with that.
I realize there are lots of VSTs out there that are better than TTS-1, but as a GM synth, it works very well for initial playback and tuning of pieces that I've translated over from BiaB. In most cases, if I've liked the drum patterns I found in BiaB, I didn't mess with them in CW unless I felt that a volume adjustment was necessary. I've found the sets available in TTS-1 to be adequate for my needs. I do have a few drum and percussion VSTs, and I've used them a few times, but most of the time I haven't felt them to be necessary.
Plus, right now, until I upgrade my machine, I'm having to be cognizant of the overhead caused by the addition of each VST. I'm on the ragged edge of functionality right now with my 11-year-old box. It's been a good machine, but I'm afraid the time for its retirement has come.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#579645 - 02/06/20 05:53 AM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 3952
Loc: Iceland
Veteran
Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 3952
Loc: Iceland
|
I wasn't getting the too-loud kick in TTS-1, at first at least. I was getting it in BiaB. In fact, I've found more often than not that TTS-1 actually brings down the loudness of the kick to more bearable levels much of the time, but not all of the time. Sounds like your Normalize Midi prefs may be at play here. See if turning that of/on makes things better or worse. Maybe by finding the sweet spot upper limit might help. I'm on the ragged edge of functionality right now with my 11-year-old box. It's been a good machine, but I'm afraid the time for its retirement has come. If by that you're inferring that your version of BBox is equally old, then that will explain a great deal 
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#580204 - 02/10/20 09:00 AM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Veteran
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
|
The overall question about midi volumes has nothing to do with Biab or any other midi playback program. When someone creates a midi file they obviously have to use a synth to hear what they're doing. They will balance the parts according to that synth and it sounds good TO THEM. You as a user may not have the same synth that was used to create the file and even if you did what sounded great to the original creator of that file may not be how you want to hear it. If you're using a GM synth one of the big differences between GM synths is how they balanced the individual instruments. The TTS 1 did it their way, Ketron does it their way, etc. Rebalancing all that is up to the user and especially with midi drum kits. They can be all over the place and what you pay for with a midi drum synth module other than the sounds themselves is the midi control they give you. Not all midi editing features are the same, far from it. Biab gives you some control but it's really the synth you're using that's the most important part of this.
Biab is based on GM and it gives you the basic framework of your song and sounds but it's up to you to take that and customize it however you want. It's not simply plug and pray.
Bob
_________________________
Biab/RB latest build, Win 10 64 bit, Intel 4770, 256 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#580238 - 02/10/20 12:43 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: jazzmammal]
|
|
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 13955
Loc: Hamlin NY
Veteran
Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 13955
Loc: Hamlin NY
|
I haven't used TTS-1 in a long time but if I remember correctly you could modify a patch then save it in the user section. Thus you could lower the kick drum volume and safe it, then later use that kit in your song(s). YMMV
_________________________
It has been a joy being quarantined with my wife. We've caught up on all the things I have done wrong in our 53 years of marriage!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB and RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software and some hardware.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#580319 - 02/10/20 06:30 PM
[Band-in-a-Box Wishlist]
Re: Ability to balance the individual voices within a MIDI track.
[Re: cooltouch]
|
|
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Veteran
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 7455
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
|
I remember trying that and it didn't work. It was said by someone that this was a flaw in the TTS 1, the default kick drum was locked at a velocity of 127 which is why a Biab patch came out giving you the option to click Yes to that popup question to change the kick drum number.
This is different from taking a midi file that was created using the TTS 1 and loading it into a DAW and using a different drum synth. Doing that you can change that kick drum to whatever value you want. But, the other side of that coin, you take a midi file and play it with the TTS 1 the kick is locked at 127 regardless of what the Event Editor says the velocities should be. All you can do then is change the kick drum. Biab simply automated that with the popup.
Bob
_________________________
Biab/RB latest build, Win 10 64 bit, Intel 4770, 256 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand® Turns 12!
RealBand® for Windows® is your all-in-one audio workstation and accompaniment program, and if you've purchased a copy of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows in the last decade, it's been included in your purchase!
We released RealBand in July 2008, along with Band-in-a-Box® 2008.5.
"RealBand brings a new level of ease and flexibility to anyone creating recordings. Record your own tracks, type in the chords, pick a style, and then add any MIDI or audio (Real) tracks to follow your chords - all in a single program. For example, type in chords to your song, generate a RealDrums track, record in your guitar and vocal parts. Then put on your 'arranger' hat and have some fun automatically adding RealTracks - maybe a guitar solo, or pedal steel background for the bridge."
We hope everyone enjoys using RealBand, which combines some great features from our PowerTracks Pro Audio program with the powerful accompaniment features from Band-in-a-Box®!
Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Spanish for Windows is Here!
¡Hay más de 50 nuevas características en Band-in-a-Box® 2020! Hay mejoras en RealTracks (RealTracks Vocal de Sonido más Suave, RealTracks Engrosamiento, RealTracks "Find-a-Sub" y MultiRiffs). La mayoría de los RealDrums ahora tienen RealCharts (con notación de batería precisa). Hay un nuevo navegador de Artistas RealTracks para encontrar información / biografías / enlaces / listas de RealTracks en todos los artistas. Un nuevo Navegador de Funciones permite al usuario nuevo u "olvidadizo" encontrar y usar fácilmente la mayoría de las funciones / teclas de acceso rápido / documentos desde una sola ventana. Ecualizar Tempo permite cambiar una canción de rubato grabada a un tempo fijo. Tiempo de audio mejorado / estiramiento de tono (Elastique) incluido. Hay mejoras en el Selector de Canciones, Bajo/Batería o Batería solo Auto-Intros, 3.400 títulos añadidos, mejoras MusicXML, guitarra para "Zurdos" y "Vista de estudiante", mejoras de Arrastrar y Soltar, Ventana Múltiple del Mago del Acorde de Audio y mucho más!
COMPRE/ACTUALIZE Y DESCARGUE YA!
Video - Entering More Than 4 Chords Per Bar in Band-in-a-Box!
One of our latest support videos created by Tobin shows off a great workaround for entering more than 4 chords per bar in your Band-in-a-Box song, using a combination of half-time and normal RealTracks - check it out!
Video Testimonial - Dennis Dearing Talks Band-in-a-Box®
Dennis remembers Band-in-a-Box® from years ago, but his connection to Mike Harrison and hearing him talk about the RealTracks is what really got him excited about the program!
Hear his thoughts and see how he uses the Band-in-a-Box® VST DAW Plugin for his projects with his Video Testimonial:
https://youtu.be/WqmtoxfJwDw
It's been a great addition to my workflow!
-Dennis Dearing
To learn more about Dennis, check out his testimonial page here.
You can create your own video testimonial letting people know how you use the program too! Learn how here.
Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Polish for Windows is Here!
Dodaliśmy ponad 50 nowych funkcji do Band-in-a-Box® 2020! Są udoskonalenia ścieżek RealTracks (Delikatniej brzmiące wokale RealTracks, Pogrubianie RealTracks, funkcja "Znajdź odmianę" dla RealTracks i MultiRiffów). Większość RealDrums ma teraz RealCharts (z dokładną Notacją Bębnów). Jest nowa Przeglądarka Artystów RealTracks umożliwiające znalezienie informacji/biografii/linków/listy ścieżek RealTracks dla wszystkich artystów. Nowa Przeglądarka Funkcji pozwala nowym lub "zapominalskim" użytkownikom na łatwe znalezienie i użycie większości funkcji/skrótów/dokumentów z poziomu jednego okna. Funkcja Wyrównaj Tempo pozwala na zmianę utworu nagranego w rytmie rubato i dostosowanie go do ustalonego tempa. Udoskonalono funkcje rozciągania brzmień audio w czasie/wysokości dźwięku (Elastique). Są też udoskonalenia opcji Wybory Utworu, automatycznych wstępów na Basie/Bębnach lub tylko samych bębnach (Auto-Intros), dodano 3,400 tytułów, są udoskonalenia w zakresie MusicXML, mamy widok dla gitarzysty "Leworęcznego" oraz "Widok dla ucznia" przy grze na gitarze, udoskonalenia opcji Przeciągnij i Upuść, multi-okna wyświetlającego Magika Audio Akordów i wiele innych poprawek!
ZAKUP/UAKTUALNIJ & POBIERZ TERAZ!
Add-ons Special EXTENDED! Xtra Styles PAK 9 & Loops-with-Style PAK 2...
There's still time to SAVE when you SUPERCHARGE your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition with 200 new RealStyles with Xtra Styles PAK 9, and 100 NEW Loops & 50 NEW Styles with Loops-with-Style PAK 2!!
We've EXTENDED our special until JULY 15TH!
Xtra Styles PAK 9 includes deep-south New Orleans gospel, a country soul groove, a psychedelic pop ballad, action-sequence cinematic metal, a Cajun jaw harp boogie, post-punk folk rock, quarter-feel jazz blues, several modern jazz styles, a modern Celtic folk reel, multiple 6/8 grooves, and so much more! There's a MultiStyle in every genre, and our biggest MultiStyle has a total of ten substyles! Add it to your collection today for just $29 (reg. $49)!
Loops-with-Style PAK 2 includes 50 new Styles & 100 new Loops to add to your Band-in-a-Box® collection! There are two new genres: gospel and funk, and we've added to the selection for electronic, hip hop, jazz, pop, R&B, rock, and world! Purchase Loops-with-Style PAK 2 on sale for only $19 (reg. $29)!
Already have a few of our Xtra Styles PAKs? Top up now - each of our 9 Xtra Styles PAKs are just $29 (reg. $49)! Don't have any, and want them ALL? Grab all during our sale for just $199 (reg. $349)!
Learn more about Xtra Styles PAKs for Band-in-a-Box and listen to demos here.
More information on Loops-with-Style PAKs can be found here.
Mac user? Click here for OS specific purchase links.
DAW Plugin FAQs Resource!
We've added a new Band-in-a-Box DAW Plugin for Mac FAQ to our FAQ and Knowledge Base Forum - make sure you check it out!
This is where we'll be sharing any solutions we discover for frequent problems reported while working through our DAW Plugin tech support.
Like this post from Andrew: StylePicker does not see my styles and RealTracks, or they are showing as N/A.
Click here for the solution.
Windows user? Click here for your forum links.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
32465 Members
68 Forums
65136 Topics
551907 Posts
Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Previous Topic
Index
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean