Page 6 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6
You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#683916 - 11/19/21 08:25 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 23106
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Matt Finley Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 23106
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
..., do you all believe 20,000+ views on this topic? crazy I'm wondering where that ranks in the records for the # of views in the "off topic forum"?
Possibly in second, to the removed thread that had all the jokes from copyrighted sources.
_________________________
BIAB 2022 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 5 Pro, Swam horns, Audition, Notion 6; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & A5X monitors

Top
#683951 - 11/19/21 01:46 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Hulkko Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
interesting program. it just takes a lot of time to learn just how to use it. Very confusing interface.

Top
#684190 - 11/20/21 02:18 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Hulkko Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus. Second, isn’t you who needs complex chords other than jazz music? Rock and pop is simple if you want to do it. As for the melody so Scaler what makes the melody so I don't think it's a song melody. The program on this page may well create a melody that can be sung.

Top
#684407 - 11/21/21 12:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: Hulkko]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.





Attachments
Post attachments only available when logged in
_________________________
Dan,
BIAB2022, Dell XPS 8920 Intel Core I7-7700 @ 3.60GHz 16GB RAM
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."

SoundCloud


Top
#684602 - 11/22/21 07:29 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 11/01/09
Posts: 624
Loc: Southeast USA
bloc-head Online   confused
Journeyman

Registered: 11/01/09
Posts: 624
Loc: Southeast USA
Thanks Dan, very good explaination, but to what end? I'm not sure why anyone would want to do this... Scaler2.5 and BIAB are both excellent tools for generating MIDI and Audio files, which are part of a balanced diet for my hungry DAW...
edit; BTW thanks again for link to the excellent wrapper, https://www.tone2.com/nanohost.html another excellent tool.


Edited by bloc-head (11/22/21 07:37 AM)
Edit Reason: added text
_________________________
bloc-head-music
Windows10; BIAB-2022; Cakewalk; Ableton Live 11
Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Native Komplete w/ S49 Kbd Controller




Top
#684605 - 11/22/21 07:36 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: bloc-head]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
I want to share chord charts across the two programs. Why? Because, simply put, Scaler is a better tool for creating interesting chord charts and BIAB is a better tool for creating accompaniments to play the chord charts.

What I showed above is the current best "manual" workflow, short of just retyping them over again. Granted, it is not an attractive workflow either way.

There is another workflow which moves the chord chart from Scaler to Reaper to BIAB-VST. But that is not perfect either.

But thanks for asking. grin
_________________________
Dan,
BIAB2022, Dell XPS 8920 Intel Core I7-7700 @ 3.60GHz 16GB RAM
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."

SoundCloud


Top
#684617 - 11/22/21 08:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Hulkko Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Originally Posted By: Hulkko
Unfortunately, that cannot be utilized with the program on this site. Very big minus.


A long time effort has gone into attempting to remedying this point. And some limited progress has been made. Particularly using Reaper to share chord charts between Scaler and BIAB-VST via the midi markers which both utilize. But, yes, much more needs to be done.

Here is the Manual Method for moving chord charts from Scaler to BIAB.




Thanks for the tip. I still can’t use Scaler so much that I would play those midi keyboards like one in a video on youtube. So I can't save it. Help would be appreciated.


Attachments
Post attachments only available when logged in


Edited by Hulkko (11/22/21 08:14 AM)

Top
#684623 - 11/22/21 08:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: Hulkko]
Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
Hulkko Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 10/29/21
Posts: 26
I knew it now and finally. Nothing but Scaler 2 to take advantage of and learn more. laugh cool

Top
#684626 - 11/22/21 08:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
Not sure exactly what you are requesting, however, best to send you to the very friendly Scaler 2 forum for questions and answers.

https://forum.scalerplugin.com/
_________________________
Dan,
BIAB2022, Dell XPS 8920 Intel Core I7-7700 @ 3.60GHz 16GB RAM
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."

SoundCloud


Top
#695711 - 01/02/22 03:37 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.5.0 (available 17th November 2021) [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
Mark Hayes Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...)

I just bought Scaler 2.5 and am trying to figure out what to do with it. This is far from obvious! I would just like to ask:

Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song? If so, is it posted somewhere with an explanation of the connection? I'm thinking of something like, "The first verse is how I originally wrote it, the second verse uses a progression Scaler generated based on the first."



Edited by Mark Hayes (01/02/22 03:38 PM)

Top
#695720 - 01/02/22 04:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.0 [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
(Cool, a thread for me to use for this...) Has anyone here actually used Scaler together with BIAB to create a song?


OMG, fresh meat! cry
This thread will be 2 years old next month. With 28,000 views it is the second most viewed thread on this site. Which is a testimony to my personal (nagging) persistance grin , the forums interest and the synergy between Scaler and BIAB.

Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

I have also made a number of videos using Scaler and BIAB, however, I don't leave these on the web. But there are lots and lots of pro videos of Scaler and even some specifically for Scaler and BIAB. Look in this tread for some links.

I might suggest you start a separate thread for what peaks you specific interests with using Scaler and BIAB. Keep in mind there is an excellent user forum for Scaler where you will recognize a number of the folks from here. Actually, this is where our little chinese friend hangs his hat.
_________________________
Dan,
BIAB2022, Dell XPS 8920 Intel Core I7-7700 @ 3.60GHz 16GB RAM
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."

SoundCloud


Top
#695730 - 01/02/22 04:47 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.0 [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
Mark Hayes Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Over that time I have uploaded a couple songs I did with Scaler-BIAB-Reaper. One example:
https://soundcloud.com/dan-hoch-784636941/perseverance

Thanks! Can you tell me something about where Scaler came in? Did it make suggestions to spiff up a simple progression, did you use those "performance" things where you play somebody's chords by playing a scale, did it generate "modulation pathways" for you?

Oh, and did you still have a human soul after collaborating with Scaler? =8^)


Edited by Mark Hayes (01/02/22 05:07 PM)

Top
#695848 - 01/03/22 08:22 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.0 [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 8856
Loc: Wauconda
Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Scaler, like BIAB, creates midi. What scaler does different is it permits chord voicings to be explicitly set and adjusted based on how you want to hear or play the chords. Second, Scaler identifies the harmonic series of chords for any specific scale or mode. With this you can hear and select the next chord in your sequence from within the selected scale.

Scale permits me to visually identify, examine and hear my chord progressions as I compose "on the fly". It has permitted me to voice the chord on the keyboard as I play and capture the exact midi notes I want to hear. This was a game changer for me and has become an integral part of my music making. Fact is, Scaler has allowed me to get more of me into my music.

Yes, Scaler does make suggestions for chord sequences and does generate modulation pathways, and it does construct performance sets and much more. So I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you. Heck, we are in a BIAB forum so we all understand that reality. cry I can only say, we all do the best we can with the tools and talent at our disposal. grin

Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.









Attachments
Post attachments only available when logged in
_________________________
Dan,
BIAB2022, Dell XPS 8920 Intel Core I7-7700 @ 3.60GHz 16GB RAM
"...My goal is not to create backing tracks for my music, but rather to get more of me in my music."

SoundCloud


Top
#695859 - 01/03/22 09:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Scaler 2.0 [Re: MusicStudent]
Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
Mark Hayes Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/21/21
Posts: 1002
Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Scaler comes in at the mark shown. Yes, this is one of those "performance " things which play over my chords.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. There are many, many words and videos explaining what Scaler can do, I'm wondering what I can do with it.

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
I do understand your point about losing one's soul to software which writes the music for you.

OK, I was just kidding about losing your soul.

There are certainly concerns to be had about the effects of this stuff on creativity, but I don't go in for the idea that there's some mystical force inside us that we must protect and nurture by only getting ideas from organic sources.

I'm actually a big fan of automation and algorithmic composition as sources of musical material, and have no qualms about that. I even use pitch recognition on raw noise to generate MIDI output that you may or may not want to call music; I generate some output, delete all the obvious crap, then work what's left into something that sounds good to me.

Here's one "workflow" that might horrify some:

1) Pick an algorithm, set some parameters, and let it generate an hour of music with 8 parts.
2) Listen for parts that sound good and discard the rest, yielding, say, 5 minutes of music in 4 parts.
3) Voice, arrange, edit.

(Of course, an hour of 8 monkeys jumping around on a rectangle of 4 pianos would probably also provide interesting material, and now I'm wondering if anyone has ever made music out of animals "playing" instruments like that. I absolutely guarantee if you take that hour-long recording, you will find interesting sections, structured by the physical ratios of their bodies and behaviors. Anyway!)

Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Visit the Scaler forum. Join in the chats and review the videos. You say you already bought the software, so you should see what others are doing.

Already there, thanks. The occasional comments about BIAB are interesting and strangely familiar.

PS – Computer music, by the program Aural and me:

https://soundcloud.com/mark_hayes/cellular-automata

Aural gave me a pure, abstract MIDI, generated using algorithms I know nothing about, and I messed with it in Logic. It's a little long (10 minutes), but I tried to keep it interesting.

Scaler here I come.


Edited by Mark Hayes (01/03/22 01:56 PM)

Top
Page 6 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6


PG Music News
Customers LOVE Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows!

Here's what they're saying about Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows

"2022 is a true game changer, the biggest thing since the first RealTracks."
"Hands-down the best upgrade!"
"I always know I will love the RealTracks and this year is no exception. Some truly beautiful stuff in there."
"MicroChords is worth the upgrade alone. 4 chords per beat!"
"One of the most exciting upgrades to BIAB since I've been using the program and certainly the most fun to me!"
"Playable RealTracks + micro chords...WOW!"
"The new installer also makes it a breeze to download and install."
"Looks like everyone is in for a treat this year."
"I owned 2020 and now bought upgrade to 2022. New version is fantastic, I like the new features and styles!"
"I absolutely love the MC (microchords) up to 16 chords on a bar."
"There is something for everyone in the new version 2022!"
"This is a phenomenal update - really a game-changer!"
"Playable RealTracks are a game changer! Very powerful. Something we never thought could be done."
"One of the best Upgrades!"
...and more!

Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows - Special Ends This Weekend!

It's almost over!

Our Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows special ends on Saturday, January 15th!

Save up to 50% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows Upgrade by 11:59pm this Saturday!

Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows includes over 50 new features and an amazing collection of new content, including 222 RealTracks (20 more than we've released in previous versions), new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Artist Performances, Xtra Styles PAK 12, New "playable RealTracks" Hi-Q sounds, 2 sets of "RealDrums Stems," and more!

We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some amazing Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2022 packages, but for more even more Add-ons (including 60 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade it to the 2022 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Learn more about all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows.

XPro Styles PAK 2 - Special Ends January 15th!

Our special is over at 11:59pm on January 15th!

We've added 100 new RealStyles more to our XPro Styles collection with the just-released XPro Styles PAK 2!

These fresh new RealStyles will work with the Band-in-a-Box® Pro package contents! In fact, these will work with ANY Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows package!

The brand-new XPro Styles PAK 2 expands your Band-in-a-Box® 2022 style library with 100 fully-produced arrangements including 25 rock and pop styles, 25 jazz styles, 25 country styles, and 25 folk styles.

Our XPro Styles PAKs are ON SALE UNTIL January 15th! Add XPro Styles PAK 1 or 2 to your collection for only $29 each... that's 40% off our regular price of $49! Want them both? Order the XPro Styles PAKs 1 & 2 Bundle for just $49!

Watch our Demos video, or pick and choose the demos you want to listen to when you visit our XPro Styles PAKs page.

Note: XPro Styles PAK 2 requires RealTracks from Band-in-a-Box® 2022 or higher and is compatible with any package, including Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows - Special Extended to January 15th!

You didn't miss out on great deals.... we've extended our special to January 15th!!

Save up to 50% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows Upgrade!

Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows includes over 50 new features and an amazing collection of new content, including 222 RealTracks (20 more than we've released in previous versions), new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Artist Performances, Xtra Styles PAK 12, New "playable RealTracks" Hi-Q sounds, 2 sets of "RealDrums Stems," and more!

We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some amazing Add-ons! During our special (which ends Jan 15th), the Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2022 packages, but for more even more Add-ons (including 60 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade it to the 2022 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Learn more about all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows.

Video: Producer Secrets- Mixing Drum Stems with Band-in-a-Box® 2022

New with Band-in-a-Box® 2022 - Drum Stems! These are separate tracks from the different mics in the RealDrums recording. We've included RealDrums Stems Set 1 and RealDrums Stems Set 2 in our 2022 Bonus PAKs, which means if you've purchased your copy of Band-in-a-Box® 2022 this month (December), you have access to this exciting new feature!

There's now a detailed video tutorial on mixing drum stems in Band-in-a-Box®, which includes tutorial files to follow along with: Producer Secrets - Mixing Drum Stems

Currently, drums stems are available for 50 RealDrums, but there are more to come!

Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows Bonus PAKs!

Purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2022 during December, and you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK*!

What does the Free Bonus PAK include?
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 34: Blues Piano and Organ (9 MSTs)
-Instrumental Studies 16: Fusion Guitar Soloing (6 studies)
-Artist Performance Set 11: Songs with Vocals volume 1 (20 songs)
-RealDrums Stems Set 1 (20 RealDrums stems)
-MIDI Styles Set 84: Look Ma! More MIDI 7 (complete, 15 styles)
-Over 400 playable RealTracks (sfz sforzando files)
-RealCombos Booster PAK (30 New RealStyles, 26 Existing RealStyles, 109 RT's/RD's)

Want even more? Boost your Free Bonus PAK to the 49-PAK for $49 to add:
-60 Bonus RT/RD (20 more than in previous years)
-MIDI SuperTracks Set 35: All Guitar (5 MSTs)
-Instrumental Studies 17: Classic Country Guitar Soloing (6 studies)
-Artist Performance Set 12: Songs with Vocals volume 2 (20 songs)
-RealDrums Stems Set 2 (20 RealDrums stems)
-Look Ma! More MIDI 8 (complete, 15 styles)

Learn more...

*excluding the $49 version upgrade purchase.

Band-in-a-Box® - 'Twas the Click Before Christmas!

Order any version of Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows (on sale until December 31st!) and receive a download key right away for use with our One-Click Installer.

Make it a musical Christmas!

Learn more about all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows.

Looking for Band-in-a-Box® for Mac? Version 2021 is available, and can also be downloaded right away when you receive your order confirmation if purchasing from us directly!

Forum Stats
35566 Members
63 Forums
73049 Topics
637221 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
xvqgdr6, Creeky, Alberto Chimelli, Cobailer, DannyGilfler

35565 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Pipeline 235
AudioTrack 232
Mark Hayes 229
MusicStudent 222
MarioD 205
bloc-head 173
Rustyspoon# 169
Jim Fogle 152
jpettit 148
Rob Helms 142
Today's Birthdays
JasonOne, Passion4Blue