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Hi, I am a new user of Real Band but have some knowledge of MIDI, VST and DAW use. I have exported a .MGU file from BB into Real Band for the first time. I have it doing everything I want so far after a couple of hours of use, except on one critical point. Every time I restart the song the midi volumes set to a a default level, and the changes that I make in the Real Band mixer are not holding. It only holds the changes in a temporary mode during playback. I cannot save any changes to the midi track volumes. Do you have any suggestions for me on this? Thanks very much for any help on this; I definitely need to resolve this problem to go further with RB. Best regards, Clifford cec102@gmx.com ************** Update No. 1 (but no real progress yet): I have worked with applying the CC 7 cut removal method from all tracks involves as is described in: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=531540&Searchpage=2&Main=76074&Words=volume+reset&Search=true#Post531540but, unfortunately, it did not work and I saw no effect. Also the CTRL option does not show up until I enter into the second window, but I think I understand the method outlined. I saw no error messages but have not found an event listing editor in RB yet to try and check on any CC7 removals. I do have some idea of this method and approach as I have used a similar method in other programs and usually end up getting through the problem. It is a hassle but I understand the method going on there. What I question here is that I am not having any such behavior or problem in BB even though I am using the same MIDI tracks that play in there. It is true in BB that the volume changes are not SAVED during file closure, but the volume changes DO HOLD during playing, stopping, and restarting the playing without any issue. That is a huge difference from having the volumes reset every time that playback is stopped in RB (same song for both programs). BB is handling the problem in a reasonable fashion, but RB is not handling the same midi tracks in the same way during a playback, mixing, stopping, restarting, etc. The whole point of mixing is to be able to adjust, stop, reset, export, etc. BB holds the volume changes, RB does not to me. It seems like a real drag to have to get into CC7 event editing with multiple midi tracks going on and changing all the time, but so far that idea does not seem to be working regardless. Is it not reasonable to just have the mixer hold the settings, at least long enough to get a decent audio export file, or upon starting, stopping and restarting playback of the song? That is the status update so far. Not looking good. Your suggestions more than welcome. Best regards, CEC *************************
Last edited by carnicom; 02/27/20 03:43 PM. Reason: additional info
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If you select a MIDI track in Realband and press F2, you will see the event list for that track.
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JFord,
Thanks very much for this critical and helpful information (F2); it has made the difference in getting through this situation. I did not see that command on a menu or context menu option yet, so for now I will most definitely make a strong note of it until I can find it within the menus or manual.
So my report is:
Getting access to the event information was essential, thank you. I still find it to be quirky, but I can get to what I need which is what is important (mixer volumes not jumping around during playback sequences). Within the F2 event list, I am able to delete the C7 listing. What is strange is that going to the beginning of the song seems to have a way of re-initiating and re-embedding the C7 listing so the problem would just start all over again. I know it sounds quirky, but if I delete it again or enough, then it finally stays away. So I get there, just not sure exactly why I seem to need to repeat things to have the change hold.
I will look at the next song more closely to see what is actually happening, but for now I would say a successful work around is in place, but that I still find the behavior or logic of the program going on to be a bit confusing or non-intuitive. But F2 eventually allows me to get in and get the mixer volumes settled down.
Thanks so much, this makes all the difference and allow me to proceed and hopefully now also start using RB on a regular basis.
Best regards, CEC
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I've never seen where when I've explicitly deleted commands from the event list that they come back; you may need to check other MIDI tracks to see if they might be duplicated on other tracks (just a thought).
And, are you saving your project as a .SEQ file or back to a MIDI file? (Don't know if it makes a difference, but you can lose some stuff when you save back to MIDI; whereas a .SEQ file keeps everything that RealBand does.
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HI The changes you make in the REALBAND mixer are only in memory, to make them stick you must take a snap shot this will hard write the changes into the midi file at the current cursor position. And stay in effect until the next snap shot. So don’t forget to save your initial setting at the beginning of the file The snap shot button is at the bottom of the mixer. Note if your midi file already has multiple snap shots in it you will have to clean those out, You may find this old thread of mine helpful with real band MIDI mixing have a scan through it all some good info here from John https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=62683&Number=418541#Post418541Mike
Last edited by Mike Head; 02/28/20 11:41 AM.
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Very happy to report on good news. All comments received have been helpful and taken to advantage. Access to and knowledge of the event editor, at the basic level, is the saving grace here in the end; I also see now where it is the menu layout now.
I am working with eternal midi files as my source material on this project. These were imported into BB and the project was successful there. Bringing the project into RB has brought in a different level of understanding.
Whereas BB can just repeat the verse, in RB I extended (duplicated on horizontal axis in a DAW mode) the midi tracks. If I had any C7 commands in the file they were being repeated the same number of times I had extended the verses. This repeat C7 commands were causing the very confusing mixer resets.
The issue was cleaning house in the event editor over the full range of the midi tracks. Much more pleasant now and the program behavior is consistent and makes sense. The work is at a favorable and fun stage again.
I will keep an eye on what i have learned here and if I can keep moving the learning curve forward. Thanks for the great help.
The reason for getting involved with RB was to extend the use of VST instruments beyond the melody and soloist tracks. My project is developing custom accompaniment tracks for a novice dulcimer player, and that is admittedly me.
Thanks again, with best regards, CEC
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There's an 'E' icon on your screen for Event List. That and F2 are pretty easy ways of accessing the Event Editor. .. and the changes that I make in the Real Band mixer are not holding. If you are now saving this song as a SEQ file, you can also go to the Mixer window and use 'Record mixer moves'. Doing it this way allows you to record your actual mixer changes so they get written to the file once saved. Another option is to 'Make all BB tracks regular tracks'. If you are generally happy with what you already have for any generated parts, this makes the tracks behave more like DAW tracks. They play the same every time unless you specifically regenerate that part. Plus you can easily edit/regenerate just certain sections of a given track, etc. Then comes Multiriff which lets you generate a bunch of different versions of a track (or section of a track) many times in one pass so you can pick and choose what you like from many possibilities. RB is different, but it's pretty fun once you get into it.
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